['ol Pinion head]

Originally Posted by 69gtocv

Okay, so this is starting to make a little more sense. D37 only w/334 means the hardtop with the GTO option. We know the GTO option came standard with the bench seat. So if you wanted the GTO option AND bucket seats, you had to order the 654 option as well. If you had a LeMans hardtop and wanted bucket seats, you had to order the 734 Sports option. Same price too. Though with the Sport, they threw in the fender emblems on the chrome nose cars. T41 cars got no emblems at all.

They did make a lesser amount of D27 post GTO's and a ton of D27 LeMans, but were you able to get buckets in those? If so, wonder what option you chose for those?

Still haven't figured out where the 734 option was in the order or accessorizer forms.

Wouldn't exactly say Pontiac made a ton of '72 D27 LeMans, that said, ALL '72 2 door Post LeMans (D27's) came with a bench seat & the standard door panels. Bucket seats were not avail in the D27 body style. The rather spartan appearing '72 standard LeMans door panels are near identical to '71 T-37 doorpanels. The only difference is the '72 versions had a diecast LeMans or GTO emblem installed up high centered on each door panel.

When a '72 LeMans Hardtop or Coupe was ordered with the GTO option, the standard trim level door panels had a diecast GTO emblem. When a '72 LeMans Hardtop was ordered with the GTO option and the Sport interior, the upper scale door panels pullstraps, the '71-72 style GTO door panel emblems were not used.

Over the years there have been owners that installed the swirled style GTO emblems on their '72 "Sport" style door panels. Many years ago, had a local that swiped one of the very nice condition original GTO door panel emblems from an original door panel from my '71 Judge project. That door panel was setting on a work table in my garage. That emblem ended up (with another one that he had come up years before) on the "Sport" door panels in his beater '72 T41 LeMans. Needless to say, I was not very happy about the stolen emblem, & it took over a year working big swappers to find a nice used pair of '71 GTO doorpanels to remove the pristine original swirled style GTO emblems. Little incidents like that are the big reason I don't have an open door policy here for locals throwing together who knows what, to come over & look at parts.

[69gtocv]

Originally Posted by 'ol Pinion head

Wouldn't exactly say Pontiac made a ton of '72 D27 LeMans, that said, ALL '72 2 door Post LeMans (D27's) came with a bench seat & the standard door panels. Bucket seats were not avail in the D27 body style. The rather spartan appearing '72 standard LeMans door panels are near identical to '71 T-37 doorpanels. The only difference is the '72 versions had a diecast LeMans or GTO emblem installed up high centered on each door panel.

When a '72 LeMans Hardtop or Coupe was ordered with the GTO option, the standard trim level door panels had a diecast GTO emblem. When a '72 LeMans Hardtop was ordered with the GTO option and the Sport interior, the upper scale door panels pullstraps, the '71-72 style GTO door panel emblems were not used.

Over the years there have been owners that installed the swirled style GTO emblems on their '72 "Sport" style door panels. Many years ago, had a local that swiped one of the very nice condition original GTO door panel emblems from an original door panel from my '71 Judge project. That door panel was setting on a work table in my garage. That emblem ended up (with another one that he had come up years before) on the "Sport" door panels in his beater '72 T41 LeMans. Needless to say, I was not very happy about the stolen emblem, & it took over a year working big swappers to find a nice used pair of '71 GTO doorpanels to remove the pristine original swirled style GTO emblems. Little incidents like that are the big reason I don't have an open door policy here for locals throwing together who knows what, to come over & look at parts.

Thanks for the info Roger. You're right, there were only 6855 D27 Post LeMans with only 134 of those having the GTO option. Not a ton for sure, my bad.

Having never had a D27 post car, so confirm you're saying a D27 post and a D37 hardtop, when not ordered with buckets, used the same door panel? Only the emblem changed.

Regarding my original question in the first post... do you have any insight on how you ordered the 734 LeMans sport option when it wasn't on the order form or accessorizer catalog?
Jeff

[Lloyd-TX]

Originally Posted by 69gtocv

Thanks for the info Roger. You're right, there were only 6855 D27 Post LeMans with only 134 of those having the GTO option. Not a ton for sure, my bad.

Having never had a D27 post car, so confirm you're saying a D27 post and a D37 hardtop, when not ordered with buckets, used the same door panel? Only the emblem changed.

Regarding my original question in the first post... do you have any insight on how you ordered the 734 LeMans sport option when it wasn't on the order form or accessorizer catalog?
Jeff

OK, here goes. Kinda conjecture on my part but I can find no other way one could have ordered the "Sport" option . . .

The order book lists all of the available interior trim codes, and of course the bucket seat trim codes differ from the same color interior with a front bench seat.

Therefore I must assume that if one ordered the bucket seat interior trim code that the car received the entire "Sport" package.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it, LOL!

[Lloyd-TX]

Of interest, Eric White's book shows the 734 option, along with the UPC "W70". A scan of the appropriate page is attached.

[muscle_collector]

I remember the Pontiac info said you cant get the sport option with the gt option. I wondered why this was, but I have one and both are listed on the phs.

[Lloyd-TX]

Originally Posted by muscle_collector

I remember the Pontiac info said you cant get the sport option with the gt option. I wondered why this was, but I have one and both are listed on the phs.

Well I've seen plenty of GTs with bench guts, and several with buckets. There was no constraint on ordering buckets (which included the 724 option) on a WU2 GT car.

[69gtocv]

Originally Posted by muscle_collector

I remember the Pontiac info said you cant get the sport option with the gt option. I wondered why this was, but I have one and both are listed on the phs.

I'm curious as to where it says you couldn't get both? Not on the order form.

[muscle_collector]

Originally Posted by 69gtocv

I'm curious as to where it says you couldn't get both? Not on the order form.

its in the 72 factory sales book

[muscle_collector]

Originally Posted by 69gtocv

I'm curious as to where it says you couldn't get both? Not on the order form.

see page 5 its posted now. thanks

[69gtocv]

Originally Posted by Lloyd-TX

OK, here goes. Kinda conjecture on my part but I can find no other way one could have ordered the "Sport" option . . .

The order book lists all of the available interior trim codes, and of course the bucket seat trim codes differ from the same color interior with a front bench seat.

Therefore I must assume that if one ordered the bucket seat interior trim code that the car received the entire "Sport" package.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it, LOL!

Lloyd, sounds like the most plausible explanation so far! Another thing that backs your theory is that no where on the 72 Order form is the 654 Custom Trim option, only in the accessory catalog. The 734 Sport option wasn't on either form or catalog. I guess I'm wondering if I'm sitting in front of my salesperson in 1972 and say "I want black bucket seats on my D37 LeMans ", he circles 761 for black buckets, what triggers that option code 734 LeMans Sport/W70 be added? And additionally, if I sat down and ordered a D37 LeMans and wanted the 334 Gto option and then said "I want black bucket seats" he would also circle 761 and apparently that would automatically trigger the 654 "Custom trim" (same price as the 734 sport option). I'm just curious who/how those different options got added to the order going to the factory? Guess we may never know.

[Lloyd-TX]

Originally Posted by 69gtocv

Lloyd, sounds like the most plausible explanation so far! Another thing that backs your theory is that no where on the 72 Order form is the 654 Custom Trim option, only in the accessory catalog. The 734 Sport option wasn't on either form or catalog. I guess I'm wondering if I'm sitting in front of my salesperson in 1972 and say "I want black bucket seats on my D37 LeMans ", he circles 761 for black buckets, what triggers that option code 734 LeMans Sport/W70 be added? And additionally, if I sat down and ordered a D37 LeMans and wanted the 334 Gto option and then said "I want black bucket seats" he would also circle 761 and apparently that would automatically trigger the 654 "Custom trim" (same price as the 734 sport option). I'm just curious who/how those different options got added to the order going to the factory? Guess we may never know.

A build sheet or broadcast sheet for a bucket seat '72 LeMans would tell the tale. I'll see if I can scrounge one up . . .

[Lloyd-TX]

OK, I just checked out a real nice clear build sheet I have for a '72 WW5 GTO, assembled at the Lakewood (Georgia) plant..

It shows Dark Saddle A51 buckets but no mention of the W70 or 724 "Sport" option whatsoever.

[69gtocv]

Originally Posted by Lloyd-TX

OK, I just checked out a real nice clear build sheet I have for a '72 WW5 GTO, assembled at the Lakewood (Georgia) plant..

It shows Dark Saddle A51 buckets but no mention of the W70 or 724 "Sport" option whatsoever.

But since it was also ordered with the Gto option, I bet it has the 654 Custom Trim on the invoice, right?

[johnta1]

Still haven't figured out where the 734 option was in the order or accessorizer forms.

I wonder if it would be better to look for the UPC instead of the Sales code number?

W70 would apply to the GT option.
Where the 734 may mean something different across the different models.
(Like Firebird, Bonneville, GP etc.)

I show 734 in 1972 as Protective Rubber Bumper Strips, but not sure for which model. 734 is also the GT option for the D37.

[johnta1]

Scan from Accessorizer

[Lloyd-TX]

Tried to upload the 1972 LeMans section from the Dealer Sales Manual , but it's 27 pages at 600DPI and WAY too large of a file to upload.

Anyone who would like a copy just e-mail me at [email protected] and I'll reply with the pdf file.

Sorry!

[69gtocv]

Originally Posted by johnta1

I wonder if it would be better to look for the UPC instead of the Sales code number?

W70 would apply to the GT option.
Where the 734 may mean something different across the different models.
(Like Firebird, Bonneville, GP etc.)

I show 734 in 1972 as Protective Rubber Bumper Strips, but not sure for which model. 734 is also the GT option for the D37.

??? The 734/W70 is the Sport option, not included, but available along with the GT option 332/WU2

If you look at the blank order form that Lloyd gave us in this thread, you'll see
that neither the 734 or W70 are on the dealer order sheet