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There is a difference between me and you. I have no pretentious I am one of the big boys. Just bracket race at the level I can afford and still keep it all together.
I have a great interest in ultimate Pontiac power. I am building a kinda big engine just because I want to feel the power. You think you are one of the big boys, wanna be in the club. I would have to believe that if you have seen the pictures I have of exploded boosted Pontiac iron race blocks you would come to the conclusion that it is holding them back. But you want to argue the point. Just because you want to prove you are smarter than me I guess. I mean, hasn't anyone sent you some of those pics ? |
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Just happened to catch your post. Believe it or not, we are still on our first set of head gaskets from 2011!. 10 head studs, 9/16". The secret is the solid, billet head. Thick and uniform around the studs, Eric did a wonderful design job leaving lots of clamp column around each stud. It's clamped down tight and doesn't move. Pistons, well, that's an entire different story. The fuel guys just call them "fuses" and we do go through a bunch of them. The Darton sleeves are super tough. We can destroy a piston and put a new one right back in the same sleeve, not a scratch most of the time. The sleeves get torn-up if the piston damage is bad enough to twist the hell out of an oil ring. Then the oil ring acts like a stainless steel cutting tool. We have killed only one sleeve so far. Main bearings need tons of oil and tons of clearance. Then they seem to live OK. But I am always concerned.
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If you dont mind sharing, curious what kind of clearances you run..we ran .005 on mains and .004 on rods with alcohol with 140psi. Never had any issues bit not running at your hp level either |
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We are at .006-.0065 on the mains. .004-.0045 on the rods. 70W oil, Eric would have to confirm oil pressure from data system, but I think down track hot we are at 165 PSI+ all the time. As we have made the passages larger and the clearances larger, the oil pressure has dropped to this general range. We have been over 200 PSI at times. As far as tune-up, nitro % and so forth, I really leave that up to Eric and Jerry our nitro tuner. I wouldn't say the non-skirted block has had a conscious effect on our tune. It's still more a function of limited on-track time and the potential astronomical cost of a bad tune-up. Less than a second under power takes a nice engine and turns it into aluminum cole slaw. So we just have to be really conservative and careful with the tune, baby steps. We just don't have a choice. Tuning the wedge head engine is difficult because of all the liquid moving through the cylinders. The Ram Air V layout is weird enough that every cylinder acts a little different as far as what it wants for fuel. The angled spark plugs cause issues on some cylinders under power because they are submerged in fuel while other cylinders are uncovered from the liquid under G-force. It's really different from a Hemi where the spark plugs are up high and centered in the chamber out of the fuel and their are 2 spark plugs. We are running 35-38 LBS of boost which is enough to run well into the 5's with the perfect tune and traction. Like most of the Pontiac guys running high HP engines, we just can't get to the track enough in one season to really sort it completely out. A sponsor would help quite a bit, but we do what we can. We plan to run good this year. Hope to fire the engine in about a week.
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[QUOTE=Dragncar;6028682 I am one of the big boys. Just bracket race at the level I can afford and still keep it all together.
?[/QUOTE] Thats funny! Ill give you some credit you are a Racer! GTO George |
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I mean, If I did post that I will apologize to the PY Race section. No problem. I think you took something out of context at the least. And at the most you edited a old post. In other words made it up and attributed it to me. What is it George ? What you need to worry about is keeping proper air pressure in you 1200HP beast. Who has a car like that and does not know what their tire pressure is every run. And don't you check your timing ? Its a wonder you have not exploded it or put it in the wall. With all the crap I have given you about it, and others you would think you wound be on top of it. "who needs to degree their cam" LOL. |
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Dragncar,
Oh my gosh that post was like almost a week old....let it go! GTO George |
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If only it was this easy. I pick at what RPM I want peak HP, what my VE% will be, and what my BSFC is and I am done.
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1,200 hp, huh........I think I have more then that! Im shooting for 4.9's in the 1/8 next weekend! Ya I know I do everything wrong (tire pressure, my blower belt too tight)...........DAMN when will I learn and I still run quicker then you. LOL! You know I NEVER said who needs a Degree wheel.......I said a SMALL, CHEAP degree wheel is useless and is a waste of time! I have degreed my last 3 camshafts in FWIW. First off you don't know anything (hence the 10.90 time slips) so I don't listen to you....what did you say? ![]() GTO George |
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Now I know you have trouble hitting the triple digits IQ wise But "pretentious" means "claiming that as if one is important or deserving of merit when such is not the case. Or "showing or betraying a attitude of superiority" . What you did was try and show just the opposite of what I posted. Watch yourself George. It was a punk move. Now you really need some sort of help. Taking off in a car like yours without knowing tire pressure and timing is alarming. Maybe you do need to retire from racing before you hurt yourself or others. |
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You know, I made a comment years back about Leech having the closest thing to a Pontiac Pro Stock bottom end around. And you came back with a "beg to differ" comment referring to your own. So I take it you have a top shelf bottom end. Your heads are 45ccs. Mikes were about 56ccs. You have a MUCH bigger/better heads. Ported by a top level head porter. You might not have that 4.65 crank but you have got to end up with at least 16-1 CR, maybe more. So you are not trying to get grandma down to bingo Tuesday night. Unless you want to get her there in 7 seconds. If that thing does not make 1200HP+ something is wrong. You are going to make big power. Hope you do. You want to be in the club, just a little. Its not cheap what you are doing. |
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By the way YOU have taken me out of context a lot........mine was a mistake, what about ALL of yours? Pot calling the Kettle!
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