[455GRIN]

Not sure how this situation is usually handled when an engine has issue at the dyno from improper assembly that damaged parts. If the pick up tube fell off and damaged parts on dyno, why were you charged for new parts? Is there some type of warranty? The issue was not your doing so why did you have to pay for that mistake?

Also wanted to add. I was talking with my engine builder last month when my motor was on the dyno. Some how the subject of the "pick up tube falling off" came up. He told about a situation that happen on his motor at the quarter mile track. He lost oil pressure during a 1/4 run, when he got it apart, he found the oil pump tube laying in the pan, said all the bearing looked fine. So not sure that much damage could be done with missing pick up tube. He also runs a MSD and it was not damaged either.

So sorry to hear about the issues. No good for anyone. Hopefully someone can show you the basics(adjusting timing, setting idle on carb) and this motor sorted for you.

[gtofreek]

Originally Posted by 455GRIN

Not sure how this situation is usually handled when an engine has issue at the dyno from improper assembly that damaged parts. If the pick up tube fell off and damaged parts on dyno, why were you charged for new parts? Is there some type of warranty? The issue was not your doing so why did you have to pay for that mistake?

Also wanted to add. I was talking with my engine builder last month when my motor was on the dyno. Some how the subject of the "pick up tube falling off" came up. He told about a situation that happen on his motor at the quarter mile track. He lost oil pressure during a 1/4 run, when he got it apart, he found the oil pump tube laying in the pan, said all the bearing looked fine. So not sure that much damage could be done with missing pick up tube. He also runs a MSD and it was not damaged either.

So sorry to hear about the issues. No good for anyone. Hopefully someone can show you the basics(adjusting timing, setting idle on carb) and this motor sorted for you.

First off, Joe did NOT get charged for fixing the engine after the bearing spun. Not sure how that came into belief. #5 rod bearing was eaten up. The heat transferred into #6 rod although #6 bearing was fine. Because of the heat transferred into #6 rod is why we replaced both rods. We did not want Joe having anything less than what he paid for. We fixed that issue just as good as brand new. I didn't want to re-use that crank for him even though a .010" under would have fixed it right up. Instead I got another crank. The pickup tube came off because I installed it with green Loctite which solidified by the time the tube was in so it felt tight, but in actuality what had happened[which we found out when we tried to install another tube in it to see what was up] is the entry chamfer for the tube was apparently cut with a dull cutter so it formed the slightest of burrs which over crushed the pickup tube by a couple thou. So the vibrations from the engine running broke the Loctite loose and the tube came out. When we tried to install another new tube in that pump, it went in tight but as soon as it was in, we grabbed it and it pulled right out without resistance. That's when we discovered the burr. So I used a piece of sandpaper on a flapper to flap the entry to remove the burr[which could not be felt BTW] then when we installed another new pickup tube, it went in tight and stayed in tight. So now I flapper all entry's on pumps, and we tig weld the tube in place instead of mig welding them. I've seen tubes come off before that were mig welded which is why we quit doing that. I thought the green Loctite would be a better solution but it didn't work in this case. That was my mistake that I did not catch and Joe was NOT charged for that. This is literally the first bearing failure I've ever had in an engine out of 500 or so built. I think that is a pretty damn good track record and I don't like having this one mistake to keep being rubbed in my face. Everyone makes mistakes, it's how few of mistakes you make that really counts. I could have lied to Joe and told him there was another hold up, but I do not do things like that so I was honest with him, now he just won't quit rubbing it in my face. But I'm sure he has never made a mistake in his life.

[grivera]

FJ, this is where Paul previously said the bearing spun (Post 784):

Originally Posted by gtofreek

First off, Joe did NOT get charged for fixing the engine after the bearing spun.

[gtofreek]

Originally Posted by grivera

FJ, this is where Paul previously said the bearing spun (Post 784):

Figure of speech everyone understands. Ever heard someone say they were so hungry they could eat a horse? Do you really go on to believe they could really eat a horse? You police officers take things too literally.



Thanks too all who have defended me, and really understand these things.

[grivera]

Originally Posted by gtofreek

Figure of speech everyone understands. Ever heard someone say they were so hungry they could eat a horse? Do you really go on to believe they could really eat a horse? You police officers take things too literally.

Thanks too all who have defended me, and really understand these things.

I've never seen "spun bearing" used to describe a different scenario.

BTW, I've defended you plenty in my conversations with Joe.

[Formulajones]

That's what I was trying to say. It's a figure of speech, in a language that everyone can understand here, rather than Paul going into great detail of exactly what happened and confuse most people in here. His spun bearing was not meant in a literal sense, but just to explain a situation in a common language for everyone, to "dummy it down" so to speak.

If you want a final explanation in more detail read post 1400.

And yes, there were many throughout this thread that threw stones at Paul, threw him under the bus (another figure of speech) and blamed him. I have a list.


Now I have to go take a chit. Wait a minute you don't take one, you leave it. But everyone knows what that means right?

[Va68goat]

Originally Posted by Formulajones

That's what I was trying to say. It's a figure of speech, in a language that everyone can understand here, rather than Paul going into great detail of exactly what happened and confuse most people in here. His spun bearing was not meant in a literal sense, but just to explain a situation in a common language for everyone, to "dummy it down" so to speak.



If you want a final explanation in more detail read post 1400.



And yes, there were many throughout this thread that threw stones at Paul, threw him under the bus (another figure of speech) and blamed him. I have a list.





Now I have to go take a chit. Wait a minute you don't take one, you leave it. But everyone knows what that means right?

That's about the dumbest thing I have ever heard. I'm trying to be good about this but this is getting silly. Nobody in their right mind would consider that a figure of speech. Remember when I used the term "The motor blew up on the dyno" and I was immediately corrected about that. A machinist is going to use a term that is consistent with what it really was..A spun bearing. I have texts from Paul saying it was a spun bearing and he was texting a novice. I think it may be a good idea to just stop trying to sell the "Figure of speech" excuse because even a novice like me can figure out this BS. I may not know about cars but since Paul disclosed that I was in law enforcement (detective) for 28 years, it's safe to say that I can smell BS when I see it. I dont want to do or say anything out of anger but this is getting to be too much. I guarantee that a majority of the people that are reading this "figure of speech" excuse are now shaking their heads and losing respect. You're making it worse for Paul, Formulajones. You may want to stop. Seems like everytime you start cheerleading, things get worse.

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[Va68goat]

John Milner,
I agree that it's getting stupid. I'm done with the back and forth. I won't be adding anything else on this thread. I'll be trying to work something out with Paul and that shouldn't be played out here. The motor is strong and I can finally drive it. It's been a frustrating 2 years and I appreciate the guys that have helped me out. Time to enjoy this car!

[Va68goat]

Scott Roberts,

Yes. I've only been into these old cars for about 5 years. I had a 68 Firebird HO, 4 speed car that I sold. It was too perfect and I wanted a driver. I didn't put my hands on this motor at all. The only real work I did on this car is I redid the engine compartment...sanded and painted. The friends that helped with installation of the motor all have Pontiacs and have been working on them for many, many years.