[Slick]

Originally Posted by 77 Canamman

I have purchased both brands of Repro Formula wheels, and they aren't fit for a go-cart. I got so pissed with their poor construction, I sought out a pristine original for some hefty coin.

Why bother producing this trash?

:^(

Wish I knew this before ordering mine. Thanks for the insight.

Stuart

[77 Canamman]

Originally Posted by Slick

:^(

Wish I knew this before ordering mine. Thanks for the insight.

Stuart

If you look at them cross-eyed, they bend. The originals, while fragile compared to some wheels, are FAR less malleable than the current replacements. I figure its a cheaper grade of aluminum to go with their cheaper grade of foam that doesn't last 6 years on a pampered garaged show car.

[Slick]

Will this Lecarra steering wheel:

https://www.summitracing.com/search/...ibanner=SREPD5

work with the factory horn assembly and collar?

If so (and I think it probably is), then IF my wheel is as bad as described by 77 Canamman, then I'll replace the wheel at a later date. But I still need the collar and horn assembly, so I'll give the Ames product a whirl!

Stuart

[scott70]

Originally Posted by Slick

Will this Lecarra steering wheel:

https://www.summitracing.com/search/...ibanner=SREPD5

work with the factory horn assembly and collar?

If so (and I think it probably is), then IF my wheel is as bad as described by 77 Canamman, then I'll replace the wheel at a later date. But I still need the collar and horn assembly, so I'll give the Ames product a whirl!

Stuart

Im assuming it would fit. Ive got that same lecarra wheel,ames horn button and guts new awaiting the collar for my 70 gto. I did ask in the street forum months ago about doing the conversion. There were a few there that had done it and mentioned the wheels can bend without much effort. Like do not try to push the car through the window with your hand on the wheel. A stock steel wheel can handle it but youll bend a formula wheel,,stock or aftermarket. I have no experience between the rigidity between oem and aftermarket. Ill be careful with my lecarra knowing this and hopefully it will be ok.

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...d.php?t=835268

[scott70]

Any updates on the collar arrival?

[Ccass]

Originally Posted by 77 Canamman

If you look at them cross-eyed, they bend. The originals, while fragile compared to some wheels, are FAR less malleable than the current replacements. I figure its a cheaper grade of aluminum to go with their cheaper grade of foam that doesn't last 6 years on a pampered garaged show car.

GM made at least 5 different styles of 'original' wheels for the 11 year period. You you'd need to have experienced and awful lot of originals to 'figure' correctly. ;)

[77 Canamman]

Originally Posted by Ccass

GM made at least 5 different styles of 'original' wheels for the 11 year period. You you'd need to have experienced and awful lot of originals to 'figure' correctly. ;)

I've owned 4 Firebirds/T/A's from that period. I am aware of the differences in the wheels.

Bottom line, in my experience, the repros are inferior to OEM BY FAR.

[Ccass]

Originally Posted by 77 Canamman

I've owned 4 Firebirds/T/A's from that period. I am aware of the differences in the wheels.

Bottom line, in my experience, the repros are inferior to OEM BY FAR.

Your opinion is welcome here. That's why we have these forums. However, 'inferior' and 'BY FAR' are your opinions that are not shared by many nor myself who has spent the last 30 years making reproductions. Everyone has a different level of tolerance of what to expect in a reproduction. Bottom line is yours appears to be quite low. ;)

Anyway, for all reading...…. just be on guard, if you haven't noticed already, quite a few reproductions are starting to get discontinued. It's due to not being able to produce the item profitably. Profitably is a direct correlation to quantity.

I would never promote the acceptance of junk. However, it has been literally 30 years of reproductions and 30 years of some owners complaining about the difference between a reproduction and the original. It's about time to accept that most reproductions are 'different' than originals. It's not about better or worse. It's more about being 'different'. If we all can't accept that, your future choices are going to be NOS, used or nothing!

It was extremely difficult and expensive to retool this new collar and it was difficult to retool and improve the Formula wheel several times over the years. When someone gives a derogatory review of an item not knowing all that goes on behind the scenes, it causes other car owners to maybe steer clear and it causes companies like us to lose heart in our efforts to support the Pontiac hobby.

[77 Canamman]

Originally Posted by Ccass

Your opinion is welcome here. That's why we have these forums. However, 'inferior' and 'BY FAR' are your opinions that are not shared by many nor myself who has spent the last 30 years making reproductions. Everyone has a different level of tolerance of what to expect in a reproduction. Bottom line is yours appears to be quite low. ;)

Anyway, for all reading...…. just be on guard, if you haven't noticed already, quite a few reproductions are starting to get discontinued. It's due to not being able to produce the item profitably. Profitably is a direct correlation to quantity.

I would never promote the acceptance of junk. However, it has been literally 30 years of reproductions and 30 years of some owners complaining about the difference between a reproduction and the original. It's about time to accept that most reproductions are 'different' than originals. It's not about better or worse. It's more about being 'different'. If we all can't accept that, your future choices are going to be NOS, used or nothing!

It was extremely difficult and expensive to retool this new collar and it was difficult to retool and improve the Formula wheel several times over the years. When someone gives a derogatory review of an item not knowing all that goes on behind the scenes, it causes other car owners to maybe steer clear and it causes companies like us to lose heart in our efforts to support the Pontiac hobby.

Again, you have a hard time taking any criticism of your products. Same goes for my glowing review of the Pypes crossflow system. Not once did I say that ALL repros are inferior or trash. I bought your wheel, and the wheel from your competitor. Both sucked in terms of durability as compared to GM. Yours was closer in appearance to original. Both hit the trash can after they bent, and a expensive mint original was purchased, which has not bent. Several hundred dollars was wasted...

Bottom line, if your product was closer to the standards of the original, there would be zero or fewer derogatory reviews of your parts. It's quite simple, really.

[burd]

I see nice originals at almost every swap I go to. I wouldn’t buy a repoop.

[Mike Kelliher]

Are all items getting harder to get?ordered steering wheel package months a go...customer since 2011...few years ago, no issues. Is r sport dying?