[opeliac]

Originally Posted by Scott Roberts

Which one, they have a couple.. all of their heads are billet I believe..

Any of them, as well as their billet block.

[Scott Roberts]

Originally Posted by opeliac

Any of them, as well as their billet block.

My take is this, as long as it's a stock bore spacing, I can get on board with it being Pontiac.. don't care about the head layout.. Pontiac did make a RAV so heads with that layout fit..
Not that my opinion matter..

[opeliac]

Originally Posted by Scott Roberts

My take is this, as long as it's a stock bore spacing, I can get on board with it being Pontiac.. don't care about the head layout.. Pontiac did make a RAV so heads with that layout fit..
Not that my opinion matter..

What do you think some of those can do with some money behind them? A max effort combo.

[Scott Roberts]

Originally Posted by opeliac

What do you think some of those can do with some money behind them? A max effort combo.

Chase a Proline down the track.. Do you think a Pontiac at the same weight and ci could compete with Ron Rhodes on a 275? Hell he's the second fastest SmallBlock out of BES's shop.. the fastest is a grudge racer with a small block ford called "The Silversurfer".. according to Tony B..

[opeliac]

Originally Posted by Scott Roberts

Chase a Proline down the track.. Do you think a Pontiac at the same weight and ci could compete with Ron Rhodes on a 275? Hell he's the second fastest SmallBlock out of BES's shop.. the fastest is a grudge racer with a small block ford called "The Silversurfer".. according to Tony B..

Ron Rhodes' car is the most impressive car in all of drag racing...I'm not talking about it being the baddest of all time...I'm talking about it being a competitive combo...

Look what Langer does with his BES N/A Pontiac...Turn Tony loose with billet parts and an open checkbook and i'd say it would be fast with twins...Would it be Hemi fast? NO, it wouldnt be...But, even you guys run with rules...

But, since you asked about the Pontiac competing with Ron's car under the exact same weight, ci, and tire...I dont think the Hemi would beat Ron either...

[Scott Roberts]

Originally Posted by opeliac

Ron Rhodes' car is the most impressive car in all of drag racing...I'm not talking about it being the baddest of all time...I'm talking about it being a competitive combo...

Look what Langer does with his BES N/A Pontiac...Turn Tony loose with billet parts and an open checkbook and i'd say it would be fast with twins...Would it be Hemi fast? NO, it wouldnt be...But, even you guys run with rules...

But, since you asked about the Pontiac competing with Ron's car under the exact same weight, ci, and tire...I dont think the Hemi would beat Ron either...

Yes, Langer does well but is in that grey area of small block/Big block... I think he's 572ci and competes at a small block weight I believe.. Not bashing the guy... he is impressive with his program and dedication.. just giving u an example...
Tommy's car was max effort I would say... at least 250k invested... probably more...he did ok but you see the choice he made..

[John Langer]

Originally Posted by Scott Roberts

Yes, Langer does well but is in that grey area of small block/Big block... I think he's 572ci and competes at a small block weight I believe.. Not bashing the guy... he is impressive with his program and dedication.. just giving u an example...
Tommy's car was max effort I would say... at least 250k invested... probably more...he did ok but you see the choice he made..

My 577 runs at BB weight minus 175 for being a Pontiac. If someone would want to try to duplicate my motor, it would be $85k+. That doesnt include any R&D. I have been running the same style castings since 2007. It takes more then a ton of hp to win races, you need the total package, trans, gearing, chassis etc. Tommy might have been able to be competitive with his warp motor. I dont know if he was having any chronic parts failures. I think his tuner was a pro-line guy. Its much easier to put a pro-line motor in there and go. They have a hundred customers with the same exact combo. That means they know what converter to put behind the motor, what gearing to have in the trans, what rear gear to run, what tune-up to run etc. If you have a one off combo, it takes years to figure out what it wants. Years equals hundreds of thousands of dollars of parts, trial and error, testing etc. If you want to win now, pro-line is the ay to go...

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by opeliac

Ron Rhodes' car is the most impressive car in all of drag racing...I'm not talking about it being the baddest of all time...I'm talking about it being a competitive combo...

Look what Langer does with his BES N/A Pontiac...Turn Tony loose with billet parts and an open checkbook and i'd say it would be fast with twins...Would it be Hemi fast? NO, it wouldnt be...But, even you guys run with rules...

But, since you asked about the Pontiac competing with Ron's car under the exact same weight, ci, and tire...I dont think the Hemi would beat Ron either...

The HP that Ron Rhodes has is only half of it. The other half is the engine tuning and chassis tuning by Ron Rhodes and crew.

I believe if BES was given the money. They could build a Pontiac that at the same ci as Ron Rhodes engine would make the came HP.

Stan

[Scott Roberts]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

The HP that Ron Rhodes has is only half of it. The other half is the engine tuning and chassis tuning by Ron Rhodes and crew.

I believe if BES was given the money. They could build a Pontiac that at the same ci as Ron Rhodes engine would make the came HP.

Stan

Same HP doesn't mean same acceleration rate..

[John Langer]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

The HP that Ron Rhodes has is only half of it. The other half is the engine tuning and chassis tuning by Ron Rhodes and crew.

I believe if BES was given the money. They could build a Pontiac that at the same ci as Ron Rhodes engine would make the came HP.

Stan

Tony has already built Pontiac motors the same CID as Rons that make more power. But not set up for spray. You would never get that pontiac motor in a car and weigh within 200-250 pounds of Rons car, unless it was a tube chassis car. If you did get in a paper weight, it would be so dam nose heavy, good luck getting it to work. My car is pretty light. His car with driver race ready weighs less then mine without a driver...