[vertigto]

Originally Posted by rohrt

I forget who told me to avoid BMR. They are cheaper for a reason. I think it was Marcus with Savitske. He is gone now after trying to steal people's Money, but was a wealth of knowledge for many years. There were a few reported issues with the weld quality or something like that. Same reports with the cheap ebay arms out of China too.

Interesting...I talked to Mark before going with BMR. Honestly, after 2.5 hours of self-promotion and bad-mouthing other vendors, I decided to steer clear. He wouldn't directly answer any of my very simple questions. Even if his products are/were better, I couldn't give him my $$.

BMR on the other hand answered everything I asked and gave advice on other items and vendors that fit the bill. Always willing to chat, even though I called a few times. Customer service is important to me.

[rohrt]

Originally Posted by JLMounce

Just a clarification here. SPC lower arms do have bump stops. You can either use the factory style rubber bump stops, or more preferably, you run the SPC jounce bumpers.

The upper arms do not contain a droop stop. This is typically not an issue on street cars, or cars that see auto-x and road course work. It can be an issue for drag cars that are able to pull the tires on launch. In that situation SPC does state in their instructions that use of a travel limiter is required.

SPC arms would not be the arms I would recommend for any serious effort drag car.

Thanks for that Clarification JLMounce. That is correct. I have the SPC Lower control arms as well with the SPC bumpers. I went with them since they move the LBJ forward 1 deg.

Originally Posted by vertigto

Interesting...I talked to Mark before going with BMR. Honestly, after 2.5 hours of self-promotion and bad-mouthing other vendors, I decided to steer clear. He wouldn't directly answer any of my very simple questions. Even if his products are/were better, I couldn't give him my $$.

BMR on the other hand answered everything I asked and gave advice on other items and vendors that fit the bill. Always willing to chat, even though I called a few times. Customer service is important to me.

I only talked with Markus on two different occasions. He must have got the biggest kick back on SPC arms to push them so hard. He always did maintain that going with SPC uppers and stock lowers was the best bang for the buck. That is what I did with one of my cars. No regrets. He really was a pitch man.

I guess I never got much hate from him about other products. He was a dealer for a lot of places.

Don't quote me on the BRM thing. Not 100% sure on that anymore. I remember looking for the next least expensive arms above the Chinese ebay ones. What ever arm it was Marcus told some story about the arms smacking the frame hard on a customer car and having a crack in them. So I don't recall anymore if it was BMR or not anymore.

Markus was an interesting guy. In many cases he promoted keeping GM parts verses selling aftermarket. He was very opiniated too. Not sure what his downfall was.

Sorry for the rambling.

[JLMounce]

Originally Posted by rohrt

Thanks for that Clarification JLMounce. That is correct. I have the SPC Lower control arms as well with the SPC bumpers. I went with them since they move the LBJ forward 1 deg.



I only talked with Markus on two different occasions. He must have got the biggest kick back on SPC arms to push them so hard. He always did maintain that going with SPC uppers and stock lowers was the best bang for the buck. That is what I did with one of my cars. No regrets. He really was a pitch man.

I guess I never got much hate from him about other products. He was a dealer for a lot of places.

Don't quote me on the BRM thing. Not 100% sure on that anymore. I remember looking for the next least expensive arms above the Chinese ebay ones. What ever arm it was Marcus told some story about the arms smacking the frame hard on a customer car and having a crack in them. So I don't recall anymore if it was BMR or not anymore.

Markus was an interesting guy. In many cases he promoted keeping GM parts verses selling aftermarket. He was very opiniated too. Not sure what his downfall was.

Sorry for the rambling.

SC&C's downfall was not running a company well. Markus is a knowledgeable guy and willing to share that knowledge with people. Even if you weren't expecting to receive it over the course of a 2 hour phone call.

At the end it was pretty clear that he was taking orders and using those funds to purchase and ship products for older orders. I'm glad I have his street comp 2+ setup on my car, it performs amazingly. Of course it's just the SPC parts with quality tall ball-joints to correct camber gain and bump steer. You can still put this kit together yourself.

In regards to the BMR arms, I've never seen any issues with myself. They seem like quality parts, they are just geared more towards cruisers than track cars. You can get them with rubber bushings, they don't have a lot of alteration from factory etc.

As far as taking damage goes, no arm is going to be impervious there. I watched a nice 68 Camaro slide into a concrete barricade after over-running the shutdown box at this past year's Good Guys Colorado Nationals. The driver tried maneuvering away from it, but with the brakes locked you don't turn. He smacked the passenger side wheel and destroyed the nice Forgeline wheel on that side as well as the Detroit Speed upper and Lowers on the car. I believe the knuckle took damage as well.

So any arm hit in the correct manner with enough force is going to take damage.