[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by opeliac

Tommy's car was impressive, no doubt about that...But, lets keep in mind that there were some very sharp individuals involved in his car...Most of those guys will provide results in a very short time...

Its hard to compare Chief and Tommy.

In a perfect world it wouldn't take long................but its not!
Both twin turbo 70 GTOs pro mod cars.........not too hard to compare.

GTO George

[opeliac]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

In a perfect world it wouldn't take long................but its not!
Both twin turbo 70 GTOs pro mod cars.........not too hard to compare.

GTO George

George, I do understand that you are a self-appointed know it all, but some of the stuff you say makes me wonder about ya...

When you have a top tier group building a new car, tuning it on a hub dyno, and then taking it out for its shake down runs, its not hard to see good results rather quickly...Now, in my opinion, Tommy's car had a tenth or so still left in it...But, that wasnt because the people involved didnt know what they were doing...Its just the way it works...

As for you saying they are two ProMods...Well, one is on a 275 radial, and the other is on the street for most of its career...They damn sure are hard to compare...If you were smarter, you'd know the differences.

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by opeliac

George, I do understand that you are a self-appointed know it all, but some of the stuff you say makes me wonder about ya...

As for you saying they are two ProMods...Well, one is on a 275 radial, and the other is on the street for most of its career...They damn sure are hard to compare...If you were smarter, you'd know the differences.

Im sorry you don't like my answer but it doesn't change anything........it is what it is!


GTO George

[opeliac]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

Im sorry you don't like my answer but it doesn't change anything........it is what it is!


GTO George

Yes, you are correct...Your answer is your opinion...

[bluegoat65]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

Im sorry you don't like my answer but it doesn't change anything........it is what it is!


GTO George

Well engine wise I see Cast Aluminum, blue collar, bolt ons, versus look what we whittled out of this block of billet aluminum....lol. No disrespect to either camp. Obviously Tommy went out on a purpose mission and afforded the Kauffmans to create one hell of a Pontiac engine. Chief grew the Crow over time to what it is today with mostly parts from the Butler catalog. 2820 @ 188 is knockin on 3ks door...lol. 3.99 is leaving about 800 in the wind. Add 40% nitro...who knows...hahahaha! All in fun, Peace!

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by bluegoat65

Well engine wise I see Cast Aluminum, blue collar, bolt ons, versus look what we whittled out of this block of billet aluminum....lol. No disrespect to either camp. Obviously Tommy went out on a purpose mission and afforded the Kauffmans to create one hell of a Pontiac engine. Chief grew the Crow over time to what it is today with mostly parts from the Butler catalog. 2820 @ 188 is knockin on 3ks door...lol. 3.99 is leaving about 800 in the wind. Add 40% nitro...who knows...hahahaha! All in fun, Peace!

I see two high dollar Pontiac race engines.


GTO George

[Elarson]

I counted on my fingers...took 7 years to get the Boss Bird to record setting ability. Thousands of hours behind the scenes, lots of torn up parts, plenty of lost sleep, lots of consultations with our band of advisors. A deep checkbook won't produce results without a lot of effort, dedication and time. I thought Tommy's car would challenge our record but he didn't stay with it long enough.

FWIW,
Eric

[scott70]

Originally Posted by Elarson

I counted on my fingers...took 7 years to get the Boss Bird to record setting ability. Thousands of hours behind the scenes, lots of torn up parts, plenty of lost sleep, lots of consultations with our band of advisors. A deep checkbook won't produce results without a lot of effort, dedication and time. I thought Tommy's car would challenge our record but he didn't stay with it long enough.

FWIW,
Eric

Right there!

[opeliac]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

I see two high dollar Pontiac race engines.


GTO George

Some would say that about yours.

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by opeliac

Some would say that about yours.

I do have a Pontiac race engine!
It not a cheap engine!

GTO George

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

In a perfect world it wouldn't take long................but its not!
Both twin turbo 70 GTOs pro mod cars.........not too hard to compare.

GTO George

Tommy has a 69 Judge. The best GTO, the high point of the era.

[John Langer]

Any real race team out there sets record setting times within 10-15 passes with a new car/combo. Doesn’t matter top fuel, pro stock, pro mod, rvw, pro 275 etc… just saying…

[mgarblik]

No sure what qualifies as "real" but I guess that makes Jack Gadosh, for example not a real race team. I believe it took him two seasons to finally qualify for his first Pro Stock race. Bill Miller, ran Top fuel for decades and never won a national event or set any Top fuel records, but he arguably had a real race team. I think a race team with an unlimited budget to acquire the very best tried and true hardware and buy the best people to be on the team or contribute would fit your definition. There is always some luck involved in the equation. But then again, even having all these things still does not make you a winner or record setter. Danika Patrick's race career would be an excellent example who had it all and did very little with it.

[John Langer]

Originally Posted by mgarblik

No sure what qualifies as "real" but I guess that makes Jack Gadosh, for example not a real race team. I believe it took him two seasons to finally qualify for his first Pro Stock race. Bill Miller, ran Top fuel for decades and never won a national event or set any Top fuel records, but he arguably had a real race team. I think a race team with an unlimited budget to acquire the very best tried and true hardware and buy the best people to be on the team or contribute would fit your definition. There is always some luck involved in the equation. But then again, even having all these things still does not make you a winner or record setter. Danika Patrick's race career would be an excellent example who had it all and did very little with it.

Jack had used equipment and didn’t have qualifying power. You have well funded pro stock/pro mod teams that win within a few races. Same with many other heads up classes. These are the facts. Can’t compare round-e-round racing with drag racing. Danika had all of the tools but wasn’t a top driver.

[Elarson]

I'm still kinda scratching my head at the comparisons.

Professional classes like NHRA P/S have a cookie-cutter proven combo and if you have it, there is the chance of quick success. Buy a Bickel roller (or whoever is building the best chassis these days?), lease a KB engine, hire an experienced crew chief and go get a trophy.

Pontiac's don't have cookie-cutter proven heads-up combos. It's all experimental.

Eric

[69Goat1]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

Tommy has a 69 Judge. The best GTO, the high point of the era.

Tommy’s car everyone is talking about on here is a 70 replica...it was never an actual car as it was built totally from scratch and uses aftermarket body panels and a completely fabricated chassis but it was meant to replicate a 70...

[Sirrotica]

That's what I thought, a 70 painted similar to a 69 judge.

[bluegoat65]

Originally Posted by Sirrotica

That's what I thought, a 70 painted similar to a 69 judge.

"Carousel Red" Just painted my Firebird that color. Really pops in the sun. Think it was carried both years 69 and 70.

[opeliac]

Originally Posted by bluegoat65

"Carousel Red" Just painted my Firebird that color. Really pops in the sun. Think it was carried both years 69 and 70.

Orbit Orange was the 1970 color.

[bluegoat65]

Originally Posted by opeliac

Orbit Orange was the 1970 color.

Yes Orbit Orange became the poster color for 70 but Carousel red was still available if so wanted on the order sheet. Wow this thread has gone all over the place...LOL.