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Old 07-23-2022, 09:41 AM
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As Ken Crocie stated about making 500HP, "It's like falling off a log".


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What does that even mean.

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What does that even mean.
It means with the parts available today, any 16 year old kid can walk into Summit with his parents credit card and walk out with a shopping cart of bolts ons that’ll make 500HP on just about anything. It used to be a lot tougher, especially if you didn’t have a big block Chevy.

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Old 07-23-2022, 10:11 AM
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It means with the parts available today, any 16 year old kid can walk into Summit with his parents credit card and walk out with a shopping cart of bolts ons that’ll make 500HP on just about anything. It used to be a lot tougher, especially if you didn’t have a big block Chevy.
Got it.

People should build cars to their own liking. There is no comparison in drivability and horsepower against the newer vehicles especially with AWD in the mix.

If 400hp makes their build adequate that's great.... 600hp congratulations.

I own 3 cars.

1930 ford, 1000whp<<<complete waste and mistake
2002 z06 vette, 700whp<<< fast reliable, daily driven but scared to break something even though it's fully built.
And My 70 GTO which I will just shoot for 450ish hp when the time comes. I honestly have more fun and enjoyment out of lower hp vehicles

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[QUOTE=TCSGTO;6359051]It means with the parts available today, any 16 year old kid can walk into Summit with his parents credit card and walk out with a shopping cart of bolts ons that’ll make 500HP on just about anything. It used to be a lot tougher, especially if you didn’t have a big block Chevy.[/QUOTE

TCS,
Damn, you got that thing pulling!

That a road paver grind?

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Old 07-23-2022, 11:23 AM
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It means with the parts available today, any 16 year old kid can walk into Summit with his parents credit card and walk out with a shopping cart of bolts ons that’ll make 500HP on just about anything. It used to be a lot tougher, especially if you didn’t have a big block Chevy.[/QUOTE

TCS,
Damn, you got that thing pulling!

That a road paver grind?
Yes, Road Paver. Maybe not the best choice for max power in this engine but it makes enough and cruises and drives around almost like a stocker.

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13.86 @ 100
Old combo:
462 10.75 CR,,SD 330CFM Round Port E's,Old Faithful cam,Jim Hand Continental,3.42's.
1968 Pontiac GTO : 11.114 @ 120.130 MPH

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517 MR-1,10.8 CR,SD 350CFM E's,QFT 950/Northwind,246/252 HR,9.5” 4000 stall,3.42's
636HP/654TQ
1.452 10.603 @ 125.09
http://www.dragtimes.com/Pontiac-GTO...lip-31594.html
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Old 07-23-2022, 10:12 AM
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Running them on a dyno is always a good idea anyway. Why guess. Not really for bragging rights but for many other reasons. Dial in a timing curve that works, check for leaks, break in camshafts and ring packages properly while monitoring everything in a controlled environment. If there is a problem it's a hell of a lot easier to deal with now before it goes in the car. Especially if it requires machine work, you're already at the shop!!

There are many good reasons to dyno an engine. These days with the cost of a good proper engine build surpassing as much as $10,000 for moderate stuff, it really makes a dyno session a no brainer.

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Old 07-23-2022, 11:35 AM
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Running them on a dyno is always a good idea anyway. Why guess. Not really for bragging rights but for many other reasons.

These days with the cost of a good proper engine build surpassing as much as $10,000 for moderate stuff, it really makes a dyno session a no brainer.
Agreed,I’ve only had 2 engines I built put on a dyno and other than a couple of twists of the distributor no real tuning was done. Getting the power curve and numbers is nice but the peace of mind knowing it isn’t going to fly apart or leak when it goes in the car is more than worth it.
The in car tune is going to be different than the engine dyno tune anyway.

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Old combo:
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1968 Pontiac GTO : 11.114 @ 120.130 MPH

New combo:
517 MR-1,10.8 CR,SD 350CFM E's,QFT 950/Northwind,246/252 HR,9.5” 4000 stall,3.42's
636HP/654TQ
1.452 10.603 @ 125.09
http://www.dragtimes.com/Pontiac-GTO...lip-31594.html
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Old 07-23-2022, 10:16 AM
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It means with the parts available today, any 16 year old kid can walk into Summit with his parents credit card and walk out with a shopping cart of bolts ons that’ll make 500HP on just about anything. It used to be a lot tougher, especially if you didn’t have a big block Chevy.
True, You can even do it with stock parts (meaning OEM heads and intakes)

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I'm always interested in hearing real world results from any pump gas build. Timeslip or dyno with no BS speculation. Gives a great starting point for people shooting for a similar level of power

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I'm always interested in hearing real world results from any pump gas build. Timeslip or dyno with no BS speculation. Gives a great starting point for people shooting for a similar level of power
i can report that my e-head, old faithful, rpm with quick fuel 850 build in 65 gto hardtop with a muncie and 3.55 gears gives me a huge stiffy. will post a thread with plenty of stiffy pics if anyone is interested.

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i can report that my e-head, old faithful, rpm with quick fuel 850 build in 65 gto hardtop with a muncie and 3.55 gears gives me a huge stiffy. will post a thread with plenty of stiffy pics if anyone is interested.
Trust me nobody wants to see that. Congrats on your build, though. Sounds like you accomplished your goal.

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Trust me nobody wants to see that. Congrats on your build, though. Sounds like you accomplished your goal.
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