[GTOnly70]

"a white 2010 Pontiac G6 with a 2.4-liter 4-cylinder and spec'd for fleet use."

Talk about going out with a whimper...

[mgarblik]

Originally Posted by GTOnly70

"a white 2010 Pontiac G6 with a 2.4-liter 4-cylinder and spec'd for fleet use."

Talk about going out with a whimper...

Yes, I remember very well following the story 13 years ago about the last piece of garbage going down the assembly line. How demoralizing for the dedicated line workers building that junk and to realize they would all be unemployed the next day. Ruining and killing off Pontiac didn't happen overnight. It took years of bad decisions by many, many people from the very top down to finish the brand off. A perfect example for every business and marketing class in college of how to do EVERYTHING wrong. Still bitter after all these years. Ha!

[kingbuzzo]

Do you still get discounts on denali's...winter is coming lol

[72projectbird]

Originally Posted by GTOnly70

"a white 2010 Pontiac G6 with a 2.4-liter 4-cylinder and spec'd for fleet use."

Talk about going out with a whimper...

That POS is the physical embodiment of everything that killed Pontiac.

That said, Pontiacs failure isn't Chevrolet's fault. They're just another brand that falls under the parent company.

[turbo69bird]

Originally Posted by 72projectbird

That POS is the physical embodiment of everything that killed Pontiac.

That said, Pontiacs failure isn't Chevrolet's fault. They're just another brand that falls under the parent company.

Chevy stifled Pontiac on every major project there was ever.
They worked very hard to keep Pontiac in line to not canabalize camaros and vettes that’s a pretty well known thing

Funny the racing ban came out after 63 anything spectacular happen in 63 that may have embarrassed the corvette , rubbed it face in the fact that Pontiac could destroy everyone and anyone????


Uh let me see
Maybe this?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aQbIwjBXQKA

[72projectbird]

Originally Posted by turbo69bird

Chevy stifled Pontiac on every major project there was ever.
They worked very hard to keep Pontiac in line to not canabalize camaros and vettes that’s a pretty well known thing

Funny the racing ban came out after 63 anything spectacular happen in 63 that may have embarrassed the corvette , rubbed it face in the fact that Pontiac could destroy everyone and anyone????


Uh let me see
Maybe this?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aQbIwjBXQKA

That's all assumptions. Every time Pontiac did something great, it was because they were better than everyone else. When Pontiac faltered, it was Chevrolets fault. It's easy to say Pontiac would've mopped the floor with every other brand if they only were able to build/do certain things. But those things didn't happen. I could say they would have falled flat on their faces, and it has the same merit. Nobody knows for sure.

Let's face it. The company we like did some things right, and other things awful. Towards the end they were really messing up. Building junk nobody wanted except for the G8 and Solstice.

[mgarblik]

Originally Posted by 72projectbird

That's all assumptions. Every time Pontiac did something great, it was because they were better than everyone else. When Pontiac faltered, it was Chevrolets fault. It's easy to say Pontiac would've mopped the floor with every other brand if they only were able to build/do certain things. But those things didn't happen. I could say they would have falled flat on their faces, and it has the same merit. Nobody knows for sure.

Let's face it. The company we like did some things right, and other things awful. Towards the end they were really messing up. Building junk nobody wanted except for the G8 and Solstice.

I mostly agree with your post, especially the last few sentences. As Pontiac fans/enthusiasts sure we cheerlead for the brand. But to say Chevrolet had little to no bearing on the success or failure of our favorite brand is a little naive. From 1962-1969, Chevrolet was getting beat-up by Pontiac on a regular basis. Pontiac was the darling of the car magazines. Pontiac was winning prestigious awards like the Motor Trend Car of the Year for THE ENTIRE PONTIAC LINE. The 64 GTO smuggled into production while Chevrolet was serving bland on white bread, had to piss them off royally. When John Delorean put the extra final quality inspections in place at the end of the assembly line, that had to be infuriating for the garbage division, Chevrolet. Finally, upper management had no other choice than to "promote John Deleoran" to Chevrolet and put him in charge of the Vega. That's one way to slow Pontiac down. Pontiac was stealing sales and accolades right and left from Chevrolet and they didn't like it. Pontiac built superior cars to Chevrolet for decades with one hand tied behind their back. When the Division was stripped of all it's autonomy in the 1980's, then the entire corporation just built generic junk from that point forward with a few exceptions here and there. The Corvette, to Chevrolet's credit, was always allowed to operate as a completely separate brand for the most part. It was highly prized and protected as evidence of Chevrolet being able to kill off the Pontiac Banshee multiple times when production drew close.

A die hard Chevrolet fan probably has a different view of this history, but my comments are based on a 40+ year study of the Pontiac brand from every resource I could find and personal interviews and interaction with people who were there to live through it. I love the fact that Pontiac was a giant overachiever and constant underdog. A great heritage that deserved a proper burial. Last Pontiac: a 4-cyl G6 Rental car. Damn shame.

[Keith Seymore]

In other news:

https://www.thedrive.com/news/the-la...&ICID=ref_fark

[242177P]

Originally Posted by mgarblik

But to say Chevrolet had little to no bearing on the success or failure of our favorite brand is a little naive.

Pontiac did quite well in their NASCAR days. No more racing. Chevrolet didn't have an answer for the GTO until 1965, when they rolled out 201 specially built Chevelles. Corvette got it's 3x2 after corporate killed Tripower. No big block Camaros (they had the "big" 350) until the Firebird 400. While Pontiac was selling SD455s, Chevy dropped the Z28 - didn't bring it back until 77. 3rd gen Firehawk. 89 Turbo TransAm. Pontiac's work with SLP on 4th gens didn't go unnoticed, Chevy pulled a mE ToO and revived it's Camaro SS. GTO and G8, Chevy actually poached the Holden deal.

Five decades of being forced to respond.

[72projectbird]

Originally Posted by 242177P

Pontiac did quite well in their NASCAR days. No more racing. Chevrolet didn't have an answer for the GTO until 1965, when they rolled out 201 specially built Chevelles. Corvette got it's 3x2 after corporate killed Tripower. No big block Camaros (they had the "big" 350) until the Firebird 400. While Pontiac was selling SD455s, Chevy dropped the Z28 - didn't bring it back until 77. 3rd gen Firehawk. 89 Turbo TransAm. Pontiac's work with SLP on 4th gens didn't go unnoticed, Chevy pulled a mE ToO and revived it's Camaro SS. GTO and G8, Chevy actually poached the Holden deal.

Five decades of being forced to respond.

The Camaro and Firebird debuted the same year. I had a 67 factory 396 4 Speed. I would hardly say Chevy was forced to respond to the 400 Firebird.