[RamAirBirds]

Baron,
The Red 455 70 Convert is a multiple PHS / Invoice car. It was restored by my Painter (Ric's Restorations) and I know the person he did it for prior to this owner who just recently bought it and put it up here. I can get the information you may be looking for. We can Discuss after auction.
Ross
Remember (RedBull on the RAII Roll Call) and (8 ball in the corner pocket...recently sold privately)

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Thanks Ross
I didn't know those 2 RamDeuce cars had sold since their last update on the Roll Call
Bet those owners enjoyed seeing ol Blue jumping over the auction block

[geeteeohguy]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

Thanks Ross
I didn't know those 2 RamDeuce cars had sold since their last update on the Roll Call
Bet those owners enjoyed seeing ol Blue jumping over the auction block

I saw the Ram Air II '68 and felt a little ill. I had no idea they were THAT rare.

When I bought my first house, the seller had a Crystal Turqoise/parchment RAII '68 in decent shape with the TH400 and the 4.33 gear and he wanted to sell it to me for $3500. It was 1990, and I needed the $$$ for the down payment on the house. Car had faded paint and slot mags with ladder bars out back. He had time slips from Baylands dating back to the '70's and the car was in the 12's IIRC.
Oh well.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by geeteeohguy

When I bought my first house, the seller had a Crystal Turqoise/parchment RAII '68 in decent shape with the TH400 and the 4.33 gear and he wanted to sell it to me for $3500. It was 1990,

That would be an incredible looking car in those colors.
The price was Right, but at the wrong time. Sure am sorry about that deal .
Hope it pops back up someday and joins our RamDeuce Roll Call list.
Thanks for the recount

[Mcronk]

I am in the market to aquire a 69 Judge or possibly a 70 depending on colors.

I think the best buy of the auction for Judges was the 70 White RAIV 4 speed in Como collection. It sold for $137,500 which was a very good buy for a RAIV 4 speed Judge. The restoration was nicely done. Some items were added to the options but done in a correct manner. Those items would make the car more enjoyable to drive ... PS/PB/AM-FM etc. I think that car was overlooked among the other cars in more "eye popping" colors.

I was very interested to see what the 68 RA II car would bring. I own one and have done research on these cars. Prior to the auction I had concerns that the "auction crowd" would not appreciate the RA II for what it was. I thought it would "get lost" among all the Judges and RAIV cars and the condition of the presentation was not the best. I was very surprised as it was the first of the round port GTOs to cross the stage and brought very good money. These cars are rarely at auctions and there are so few left it is hard to determine value. Most of them trade hands in private sales. I am still not sure the $253k reflects a number that can be backed up at least 75%. I think the fact that Jim Mattison once owned this car helped.

The same goes for the OO Judge RAIV convertible car. Was this an anomaly? We did have a second one cross the block at $572 which was about half of the OO car. My feeling is unless another car can come within 75% of the OO car the $1.1 million is not going to hold. Haggerty has a very interesting tool that is a scatter plot of sales prices across several years on a specific models. This $1.1 million is probably an outlier on the scatter plot.

Someone had mentioned a couple of cars had changed hands that are on the RAII list. I would be interested to know which ones, condition/correctness, and value, if the person can share that information.

[stevesbirds]

After my current registration was all set, then they required I pre pay to be eligible, all that just to view SOLD values.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by stevesbirds

After my current registration was all set, then they required I pre pay to be eligible, all that just to view SOLD values.

Something really wrong about that case.
Might should just start over with another email address.
Don't select anything about being a bidder or getting a pass , etc ......

[Mcronk]

Originally Posted by stevesbirds

After my current registration was all set, then they required I pre pay to be eligible, all that just to view SOLD values.

Sounds like you are trying to register to bid at a auction. You are not in the area just to register as a Mecum member. You don't need any financial information to register for the website.

[Alan Reed]

Just curious, does anyone know the new home of the million dollar Judge?

Also, did anyone notice the camera did not find the buyer?

The camera was on the "phone bidder" desk, while an unknown, unseen bidder out-bid the phone bidder.

Typically the camera will focus on a bidder to capture the emotional win, followed by the high-fives and handshakes. But this time all we saw was an "all done" by a phone bidder.

And, if I was bidding on a million dollar car, I sure wouldn't want to pay the extra 2% buyer premium charged to an offsite buyer. (on a million dollar bid, that is $20K)

High end bidders who want to remain anonymous commonly hire a surrogate bidder to represent them at the auction.

I don't mean to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but I am skeptical that anyone paid $1.1 million for that car.

Adding to my skepticism, a blue Judge sold for half that price on Saturday. Was it half as good? It seemed to be a comparable car, quality restoration, same drive train.

We car guys want to believe that our cars are valuable and desirable, and we tend to accept high sale prices without questioning them because it makes us feel better.

There is much we don't see at the big auctions. Who knows what shenanigans and manipulations go on behind the scenes. Clearly, the auction companies thrive on publicity, and a record sale gets them much publicity.

Would an auction company contrive a fake sale to gain publicity? It has been done. Did it happen this time? We will likely never know

[necdb3]

Alan, I noticed a lot of cars were won by phone bidders this year. I was there in person and the "phone bidder light" was on a bunch.

Originally Posted by Alan Reed

Just curious, does anyone know the new home of the million dollar Judge?

Also, did anyone notice the camera did not find the buyer?

The camera was on the "phone bidder" desk, while an unknown, unseen bidder out-bid the phone bidder.

Typically the camera will focus on a bidder to capture the emotional win, followed by the high-fives and handshakes. But this time all we saw was an "all done" by a phone bidder.

And, if I was bidding on a million dollar car, I sure wouldn't want to pay the extra 2% buyer premium charged to an offsite buyer. (on a million dollar bid, that is $20K)

High end bidders who want to remain anonymous commonly hire a surrogate bidder to represent them at the auction.

I don't mean to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but I am skeptical that anyone paid $1.1 million for that car.

Adding to my skepticism, a blue Judge sold for half that price on Saturday. Was it half as good? It seemed to be a comparable car, quality restoration, same drive train.

We car guys want to believe that our cars are valuable and desirable, and we tend to accept high sale prices without questioning them because it makes us feel better.

There is much we don't see at the big auctions. Who knows what shenanigans and manipulations go on behind the scenes. Clearly, the auction companies thrive on publicity, and a record sale gets them much publicity.

Would an auction company contrive a fake sale to gain publicity? It has been done. Did it happen this time? We will likely never know

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

There are only 2 other Ram4 Judge Convertibles that can come within 75% of the OO Automatic that just sold.
Or they might possibly match it.
The other OO is a 4spd car , but has oddly trim of Saddle and Dark Gold.
The Black Automatic car is breath-taking with Sandalwood interior and top.
A good number of high end collectors want these 3 particular cars - in particular.
The Black Auto or OO 4spd both could make 75% - or better - of the auction price even in a private sale.
But , those owners do not wish to sell them.
Ask yourself why - then add that to the factors.
If they got offered 2 Milly , would they ? Maybe , maybe not.

The Blue Auto and a Silver Auto have been offered several times in the past with failed reserves.
They are fantastic cars and have high values , but they are not Black or OO.

Folks , look at the IV Judge Hardtop prices from the event.
Is a Black Judge worth 2 White Judges ?
Is an OO Judge worth almost 3 White Judges ?
From an engineering or mechanical standpoint the answer is No.
But that's not what drove their prices further up , it was color , and how many prefer a certain color(s) over other colors.
Its not just an addition - its multiplication.

And it was an auction full of people who WANTED to spend money.
Not a website full of guys who HATE to spend money.

The Black 69 IV 4spd Judge Convertible pulled over 800k many years ago.
It would do a Milly or plus now.
69 TA Vert pulled a Milly years ago, but those are locked in White and locked in Ram3
All 8 are known now.

13 of these has been a long standing number of survivors.
Doesn't look like there will be many more, if any more at all.
And they have RoundPort engines versus DPort TA's

The math works , if you know how to work the math.
Not every 70 IV Jvert just became a 1mill car.
This was the very best color combo possible - for moneybucks.
And the only one with that exact color combo.

Not every 68 Ram2 Hardtop 4spd just became a 260k car.
This was the VERY BEST Hardtop on our list by a good margin.
Great Colors, 4spd, Born With Drivetrain Completely, Good Equipment, Hideaways to boot.
We don't have another fully comparable example.
I think enough people finally realized that. Boom - they wanted it.


Mcronk ,
RedBull is a Ram2 GTO Red/Red Auto Hdtp.
He didn't sell it, was just reminding me he still has it.
8-Ball is a Ram2 4spd Firebird Blk / Blk , he did sell that one , 95% finished.
Big Tall money I am sure , but amount not disclosed.
It will be featured soon in print.
The Birds usually bring more than the Goats

[besserspat]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

Folks , look at the IV Judge Hardtop prices from the event.
Is a Black Judge worth 2 White Judges ?

Like the old wise saying , " Never Book a Judge by Its color. "

Peter