[Greg Reid]

You are giving me some motivation to do another car that I have here as I was seriously questioning whether I had another restoration in me. Being that you are 2 years older than I am, I'm now thinking, why not?

[goat69SD]

Originally Posted by Greg Reid

You are giving me some motivation to do another car that I have here as I was seriously questioning whether I had another restoration in me. Being that you are 2 years older than I am, I'm now thinking, why not?

Why not indeed. I figure that if I am able and I love what I do then do it as long as you can. I am not wealthy and don't care to be at this point in life. I have a few health issues and lots of aches and pains. But hey I am still here. I don't believe in bragging about this stuff because it will be here yet when I am not. But I had a good friend that started a street rod build at 85 years old. I live in the days of my youth and there I will stay. I have one more I want to build after this lol. I have a 72 rallye charger that will have a modern gen III hemi with all the bells. I have to say I love this site and the Pontiac people. I am a member of a lot of sites but this one seems to be more friendly and honest. Thank you all for making me feel at home here!

[goat69SD]

Thank you for that information! Learning about these old cars is what it is all about. Great information. My 69 has the emblem as well as the rear molding and the parking brake trim.
Thanks for the post
Don

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

GTO's could get RamAir 3 engine/induction before the Judge came out.
But not until some time in November 1968 , are the earliest cars we have found.
Your September car wouldn't be a prospect, but all the better if you have some of the items.
Judges started production around mid-january.

GTO dash emblem lasted until about mid-February.
Judge on glovebox started around end of Feb

Lower Quarter trim stopped around end of Feb , depending on plant sometimes.
Convertibles kept them the whole year.

Any car with Rally2 wheels in 69 got the black center lugnuts.
And black PMD center caps
Judges were the only ones without trim rings

Pick any color combo that makes you happy.
We can live with it.

What can you tell us about your engine ?
Year model , block code , head code , carb #

[goat69SD]

I guess my thought on the PHS documents is that my car can never be original again and the paper work although interesting cost in access of 100.00 and 100.00 would be better spent on parts I need to get it back on the road. I usually keep 5 to 7 cars in my collection . I don't show my cars and just want to build and enjoy them. I have some that won't see more than 20 miles a year and some that might see 200 or so. It is however nice to know a bit more information on what is right or wrong with each model. I would probably trade my 69 for a 67 as far as looks go maybe not for reputation. I personally think the 67 was the best looking GTO ever built.

[242177P]

Originally Posted by goat69SD

My 69 has the emblem as well as the rear molding and the parking brake trim.

If 69 was anything like the 66/67 GTOs, that pedal trim is indicative of power brakes. Accelerator pedal, brake, clutch, and parking brake - all got the stainless trim. Cars with manual brakes didn't get the brightwork.

[goat69SD]

Originally Posted by 242177P

If 69 was anything like the 66/67 GTOs, that pedal trim is indicative of power brakes. Accelerator pedal, brake, clutch, and parking brake - all got the stainless trim. Cars with manual brakes didn't get the brightwork.

This car had a bent frame from an accident. The frame was original and the car had manual drum brakes and no power steering. Or at least that is the way it was when I got it. It did have the bright work on all pedals. When I changed the frame I bought everything to make it power steering and power brakes as well. Then rather than rebuilding the front suspension I went with CCP tubular control arms new springs etc. I did this when I restored our Chevelle and the difference in handling was amazing to say the least.

[goat69SD]

I was asking the RAIV for a friend. His 69 GTO had a RAIV engine when he got it. The car was a Jan 69 car. The original engine is long gone as they raced it. He does still have the round port heads. And the car had RAIV decals on it when he bought it. Again more information than we had. The car was Bad A$$ in its day. He has pictures with at least one wheel off the ground on take off.

[goat69SD]

Thank you all. I will get some more numbers today if possible. I love trying to find out the history of these engines and cars.