[The Champ]

Originally Posted by Stuart

Yes, I know cars don't sell as well as SUVs or crossovers, but that doesn't mean I want one. Like I said it was my personal opinion.

Stuart

I understood that you were interested in a 'car'.

That's why I pointed out that the Malibu will probably come to America in 2025 - just one year away.

I like cars to. That's why my daily driver is a Cadillac CT4. Yes I have an Equinox too, but unless I need the extra cargo space, the CT4 is much more fun to drive.

I'm probably not looking at the possibility of an EV anything for at least 3 - 4 more years - assuming that they prove to be more viable where I live, work and play by then.

On many technological things, I'm an 'early adopter'. Electric cars were attempted over 100 years ago and lost the battle to the internal combustion engine. I'm content to wait to see if the new attempt is truly a step in the right direction for more than an in city commuter vehicle.

[turbo69bird]

Originally Posted by The Champ

Stuart

I understood that you were interested in a 'car'.

That's why I pointed out that the Malibu will probably come to America in 2025 - just one year away.

I like cars to. That's why my daily driver is a Cadillac CT4. Yes I have an Equinox too, but unless I need the extra cargo space, the CT4 is much more fun to drive.

I'm probably not looking at the possibility of an EV anything for at least 3 - 4 more years - assuming that they prove to be more viable where I live, work and play by then.

On many technological things, I'm an 'early adopter'. Electric cars were attempted over 100 years ago and lost the battle to the internal combustion engine. I'm content to wait to see if the new attempt is truly a step in the right direction for more than an in city commuter vehicle.

They didn’t so much lose to gas cars as they lost to the tycoons of standard oil and the likes . I totally understand the reluctance of the electric car, believe me I hated these things.
But now that I’ve had some time with a TESLA it’s a differnt story.
I’ve been in other EVs even hybrids it’s just NOT the same thing.

It’s kinda like how space X and elon not just flew rockets as others (countries only of course) had , but they then decided to LAND the used up parts of the rockets on a small X out in the ocean over and over again
Reducing cost That was an amazing thing to even attempt never mind to accomplish.

It’s just not the same as what others are doing it’s thinking outside the box.

Not everyone is gonna “get it” I know I didn’t so I don’t fault anyone else for not getting it either . It’s like chess Vs checkers w Tesla Vs the rest. A lot of people know chess is harder than checkers but until you really enjoy chess you don't realize how different.
With EVs - Everyone else is just trying to copy those who actually blazed the trail and that’s Tesla

[The Champ]

Originally Posted by turbo69bird

I totally understand the reluctance of the electric car, believe me I hated these things.
But now that I’ve had some time with a TESLA it’s a differnt story.

I think you missed the part of my statement about EV's where I stated 'where I live, work and play'.

IF your driving is primarily in a major metropolitan area where chargers are readily available, that changes things.

IF your driving is primarily commuter miles, that changes things.

IF you have multiple other ICE vehicles to use when the EV isn't practical, that changes things.

Where I live, work and play, chargers area an issue.

When l want to travel and chargers aren't conveniently located - I need to rearrange my trip route to drive where the chargers are.

Then there is the time factor of charging. I realize that they do have limited high voltage/high speed chargers - but even a high speed charger is much slower than filling a tank.

And the idea of charging on 110 V at home is a joke. Added to the price of the EV is the cost of a charging system in your garage that can actually charge an EV in a reasonable period of time.

I'm not moving to a major metropolitan area. I travel in areas that will continue to be on the backburner for rapid charger growth.

The funniest thing about many of the 'Teslaphiles' is that they claim they are doing the 'green' thing, but they all want to have the high HP EV's with the much larger batteries that 'burn' more electricity than the lower powered EV's.

And then there is the problem that our electric grid just can't (and won't in the foreseeable future) support the mass conversion to EV's that is coveted by the climate alarmists.

I won't spend much time talking about the climate costs to the mining of the minerals required to make the batteries, the type of labor that is used for it or the ecological results in the countries that they are currently coming from.

[Formulajones]

I'm with Champ. All the green weenies think they are saving the environment but don't want to talk about all the mining required for those special battery minerals. And guess what they are being mined with......LOL Not to mention, where do all the used up batteries go???

Don't care about the electric cars, have absolutely no interest at all in them. They don't really work around here anyway. Living in the Arizona desert with towns spread 100 miles apart with no charging stations in between they really don't make a lot of sense unless you live your life putting around town close to home. And who wants to sit around for hours charging a vehicle when I can fill one with gas in 2 minutes?? Want a faster charge? You pay more for it too and it still takes longer than filling my tank. This chit ain't free ya know....... Anyone see the electric truck reviews and how they fell way short? Especially towing. They don't go very far at all. Pretty much useless.

Have seen more than one home burn down with those charging stations too. Even an instance where a guy that I think worked with my father if I remember correctly, he torched his tesla because they wouldn't cover the batteries while the car was still under warranty and wanted to stick him with a $30,000 battery bill. Can't sell the car like that and who wants to spend that much money on batteries. Yeah no thanks. All those Tesla lovers will drop those cars like a bad habit when they find out what those batteries will cost them. Millennials think this is a new concept and don't realize this was tried in the early 1900's too. Talk about not having an electric grid to support it......LOL There are a couple of those that occasionally show up at the local car shows. Neat history but that's about it.

I've got some funny stories with tesla run ins on the road too.

[GT182]

There was a Wawa quick stop torn down last year, not far away from where I live, and a new one built to replace it. Seeing they weren't allowed to put in gas pumps, they added Tesla charging stations. IIRC 12 of them. Haven't seen an EV using one yet. LOL

[turbo69bird]

Originally Posted by Formulajones

I'm with Champ. All the green weenies think they are saving the environment but don't want to talk about all the mining required for those special battery minerals. And guess what they are being mined with......LOL Not to mention, where do all the used up batteries go???

Don't care about the electric cars, have absolutely no interest at all in them. They don't really work around here anyway. Living in the Arizona desert with towns spread 100 miles apart with no charging stations in between they really don't make a lot of sense unless you live your life putting around town close to home. And who wants to sit around for hours charging a vehicle when I can fill one with gas in 2 minutes?? Want a faster charge? You pay more for it too and it still takes longer than filling my tank. This chit ain't free ya know....... Anyone see the electric truck reviews and how they fell way short? Especially towing. They don't go very far at all. Pretty much useless.

Have seen more than one home burn down with those charging stations too. Even an instance where a guy that I think worked with my father if I remember correctly, he torched his tesla because they wouldn't cover the batteries while the car was still under warranty and wanted to stick him with a $30,000 battery bill. Can't sell the car like that and who wants to spend that much money on batteries. Yeah no thanks. All those Tesla lovers will drop those cars like a bad habit when they find out what those batteries will cost them. Millennials think this is a new concept and don't realize this was tried in the early 1900's too. Talk about not having an electric grid to support it......LOL There are a couple of those that occasionally show up at the local car shows. Neat history but that's about it.

I've got some funny stories with tesla run ins on the road too.

Actually I’ve stated in multiple posts I dint think this way because I think it’s green . Has nothing to do with it for me. It’s not green at all stated that already. So you actually agree with me as well .
I like it because it’s the baddest azz car I’ve ever owned