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These are great heads for a serious effort high performance Pontiac. They are copies of what we consider our "standard pushrod location race head". They differ from other commercially available CNC heads in many ways. But what we are most proud of (other than their power producing potential) is the lack of pushrod tubes and head bolt sleeves. For years I've rolled my eyes looking at ported heads that slice away the head bolt boss. The loss of integrity of the casting and potential for sucking oil far out weighs any power gain found from removing the head bolt boss. The pushrod tubes are almost always in the way of the pushrod or a shop installs a tube that is excessively large and reduces the CSA area at a critical point. These heads have made over 800 horsepower on stock block builds and have run 5.0 in the 1/8 on a 3300 lbs. street driven nitrous car.

The port volume is close to 250 cc.

Port window has been optimized to work with a Victor manifold.

That's a modified cast 72 CC chamber in the picture. We have done these heads with the Edelbrock CNC chamber and 87 CC ports. Valve size can be varied per application.

Delivery times are a mess due to parts availability, folks not wanting to work and the people that are willing to work being over loaded.

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Stated- " But what we are most proud of (other than their power producing potential) is the lack of pushrod tubes ...."

Interesting subject, removing material from the pushrod bulge and brought up within this thread:

https://forums.maxperformanceinc.com...ght=cattle+car

A factor or not, I'm not sure. But I've always enjoyed Jim McFarland's comment regarding mixture homogeneity possibly involving a protruding pushrod sleeve.....

A train comprised of loaded cattle cars is moving down its tracks at a constant speed. In this example, the train is analogous to air and the cattle to fuel. At this point, the combination is well "mixed". Now, visualize what happens if the train suddenly changes in speed, direction or accelerates or decelerates. It doesn't require much imagination to realize how the quality of this "mixture" will be effected, accordingly. Such is the case between air and fuel in an inlet path, during changes in air direction or speed.


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These are great heads for a serious effort high performance Pontiac. They are copies of what we consider our "standard pushrod location race head". They differ from other commercially available CNC heads in many ways. But what we are most proud of (other than their power producing potential) is the lack of pushrod tubes and head bolt sleeves. For years I've rolled my eyes looking at ported heads that slice away the head bolt boss. The loss of integrity of the casting and potential for sucking oil far out weighs any power gain found from removing the head bolt boss. The pushrod tubes are almost always in the way of the pushrod or a shop installs a tube that is excessively large and reduces the CSA area at a critical point. These heads have made over 800 horsepower on stock block builds and have run 5.0 in the 1/8 on a 3300 lbs. street driven nitrous car.

The port volume is close to 250 cc.

Port window has been optimized to work with a Victor manifold.

That's a modified cast 72 CC chamber in the picture. We have done these heads with the Edelbrock CNC chamber and 87 CC ports. Valve size can be varied per application.

Delivery times are a mess due to parts availability, folks not wanting to work and the people that are willing to work being over loaded.
do you have a different program for someone that wants to run a T2, RPM, or Northwind?

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do you have a different program for someone that wants to run a T2, RPM, or Northwind?
I think only intake you listed that might have an issue is the T2 and just because of lack of material in the roof on those intakes.

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These are great heads for a serious effort high performance Pontiac. They are copies of what we consider our "standard pushrod location race head". They differ from other commercially available CNC heads in many ways. But what we are most proud of (other than their power producing potential) is the lack of pushrod tubes and head bolt sleeves. For years I've rolled my eyes looking at ported heads that slice away the head bolt boss. The loss of integrity of the casting and potential for sucking oil far out weighs any power gain found from removing the head bolt boss. The pushrod tubes are almost always in the way of the pushrod or a shop installs a tube that is excessively large and reduces the CSA area at a critical point. These heads have made over 800 horsepower on stock block builds and have run 5.0 in the 1/8 on a 3300 lbs. street driven nitrous car.

The port volume is close to 250 cc.

Port window has been optimized to work with a Victor manifold.

That's a modified cast 72 CC chamber in the picture. We have done these heads with the Edelbrock CNC chamber and 87 CC ports. Valve size can be varied per application.

Delivery times are a mess due to parts availability, folks not wanting to work and the people that are willing to work being over loaded.
If you don’t mind me asking whats a set go for, that’!! make 700 hp with a Victor intake on a 505. Set up for right cam springs.

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Got a friend I’m doing a 505 for and he’s about ready to pull the tiger. Oh 72 cc chamber Text me if you prefer.

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Got a friend I’m doing a 505 for and he’s about ready to pull the tiger. Oh 72 cc chamber Text me if you prefer.
Keep your phone on you, I'm sure Paul will be contacting you very soon.

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do you have a different program for someone that wants to run a T2, RPM, or Northwind?
We don't have a CNC program for the smaller heads, all those get done the old fashion way. The Torker II and RPM need a considerable amount of work to keep up with our 318 cfm heads, the Northwind would be a better choice.

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We don't have a CNC program for the smaller heads, all those get done the old fashion way. The Torker II and RPM need a considerable amount of work to keep up with our 318 cfm heads, the Northwind would be a better choice.
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These are great heads for a serious effort high performance Pontiac. They are copies of what we consider our "standard pushrod location race head". They differ from other commercially available CNC heads in many ways. But what we are most proud of (other than their power producing potential) is the lack of pushrod tubes and head bolt sleeves. For years I've rolled my eyes looking at ported heads that slice away the head bolt boss. The loss of integrity of the casting and potential for sucking oil far out weighs any power gain found from removing the head bolt boss. The pushrod tubes are almost always in the way of the pushrod or a shop installs a tube that is excessively large and reduces the CSA area at a critical point. These heads have made over 800 horsepower on stock block builds and have run 5.0 in the 1/8 on a 3300 lbs. street driven nitrous car.

The port volume is close to 250 cc.

Port window has been optimized to work with a Victor manifold.

That's a modified cast 72 CC chamber in the picture. We have done these heads with the Edelbrock CNC chamber and 87 CC ports. Valve size can be varied per application.

Delivery times are a mess due to parts availability, folks not wanting to work and the people that are willing to work being over loaded.
Been wanting to order a set from you for quite a while Paul, disguised as a stock head of course But I know you've been busy with your move and talk of maybe semi retiring. Hopefully this supply chain garbage gets turned around soon and we can get back to maybe a little bit of normality.

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These are great heads for a serious effort high performance Pontiac. They are copies of what we consider our "standard pushrod location race head". They differ from other commercially available CNC heads in many ways. But what we are most proud of (other than their power producing potential) is the lack of pushrod tubes and head bolt sleeves. For years I've rolled my eyes looking at ported heads that slice away the head bolt boss. The loss of integrity of the casting and potential for sucking oil far out weighs any power gain found from removing the head bolt boss. The pushrod tubes are almost always in the way of the pushrod or a shop installs a tube that is excessively large and reduces the CSA area at a critical point. These heads have made over 800 horsepower on stock block builds and have run 5.0 in the 1/8 on a 3300 lbs. street driven nitrous car.

The port volume is close to 250 cc.

Port window has been optimized to work with a Victor manifold.

That's a modified cast 72 CC chamber in the picture. We have done these heads with the Edelbrock CNC chamber and 87 CC ports. Valve size can be varied per application.

Delivery times are a mess due to parts availability, folks not wanting to work and the people that are willing to work being over loaded.
Paul,
What bore size was used for the numbers Brian posted?

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Thanks. I know even shops that do a lot of head porting still have a limited number of bore sizes. With that bore size I would guess they will lose very little or nothing flow wise on a 455 +30 or +60.

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head flow vs. bore size

https://www.yellowbullet.com/threads...e-size.615123/



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Thanks. I know even shops that do a lot of head porting still have a limited number of bore sizes. With that bore size I would guess they will lose very little or nothing flow wise on a 455 +30 or +60.

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Very little Stan. If we set everything up there is almost no flow loss with a 2.11 valve on a 4.185 bore.

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Very little Stan. If we set everything up there is almost no flow loss with a 2.11 valve on a 4.185 bore.
Can you do this with a Speedmaster head also and maybe a 2.19 valve
I've got a set of bare heads is why I'm asking.

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Can you do this with a Speedmaster head also and maybe a 2.19 valve
I've got a set of bare heads is why I'm asking.

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Possibly, we are going to look into that as soon as we get our heads (the other heads) above water. Valve size is not an issue.

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