[TRADERMIKE 2012]

Originally Posted by Gach

So, anyway the bottom line, is this buy a complete stroker kit. Comes with everything Rings, bearing, rods, balanced, all gaskets, rear main seal, the whole 9 yards.

Sell your crank, so it needs to be turned .010" (whatever) ok, when it comes to using stock rods, I don’t care if they’ve been re-sized and new rods bolts. You are taking one hell of a chance, here’s why, oh motor all done, in the car and everything great you’re happier than a pig in ****. But one day you're out with the car, taking it though gears, then all of the sudden, rod lets go, for whatever reason. Guess what, now you’ve destroyed the whole motor, especially if it windows the block.

The thing about stock rods is this, what's the history of those rods, with weather recondition or not, how much fatigue have they suffered. Because it was overheated and experienced detonation, the kind of detonation that you or the previous owner of that motor has never heard, it's like running round with a grenade with the Pin out, oh recondition, they look pretty. You think you're Golden.

Mikes reply:

My original plan, If the parts that I have are "ok" and I can reuse them for street use, then, for originality's sake, I was thinking of trying, selling this motor to the person who needs it for their concourse restoration and is willing to pay out the arr for it.

Use the proceeds and buy a monster motor, shop till I drop.

I am not so sure of the value that this motor adds to my vehicle.

What kind of price could I be expecting, my guess with the Tri-power Rochester carbs. being true GTO and the intake being numbers correct, asking for $25 k?

What have I got to lose, I won't even run it, sell as is, just rebuilt by such and such here is the receipt and their guarantee...

I need to address this question while I am at it, please give me your thoughts on the matter, as truthfully as you can, "you own a 1967 GTO, Firebird, Big car and it is in concourse condition and this motor is perfect for your car VIN: 1967 YK code 428 ci HO Tri-power, you've upgraded from the Quadrajet. What are you willing to pay for this motor, if it increases the value of your vehicle from 100k with the period correct story to concourse matching code, correct now the market price is $ 250 K - $ 300k?

P.S. That Butler Kit has the Stroker kit includes the 455 Crank, I believe.

The above question is Hypothetical, but I need to get a real value, so I can benefit best.

My vehicle, by VIN. had the 403 ci Olds Engine in it from the factory.

[jerry455]

Being that the only Tri power optioned vehicle in 1967 was the 427 Corvette, adding a Tri power to an original or restored car will not increase its value. Unless the person is truly looking for that on their motor. If I remember correctly, Royal Pontiac, conducted some testing running at Motor City Dragway, using a 1967 GTO with a Q jet and then swapping a 1966 Tri power unit and it showed no appreciable improvement. The Q jet has proven itself to be a pretty good carburetor for making power.

[TRADERMIKE 2012]

Originally Posted by jerry455

Being that the only Tri power optioned vehicle in 1967 was the 427 Corvette, adding a Tri power to an original or restored car will not increase its value. Unless the person is truly looking for that on their motor. If I remember correctly, Royal Pontiac, conducted some testing running at Motor City Dragway, using a 1967 GTO with a Q jet and then swapping a 1966 Tri power unit and it showed no appreciable improvement. The Q jet has proven itself to be a pretty good carburetor for making power.

Mikes reply:

Dad was a racer, in NY at Mitchel field in the 60's, we my twin and I would go to the races and set up the pylons and mark their position with paint in the morning and then go play until his friends got us to watch him race. He had one of the first top 500 Corvettes made in 66 & 69, both with 427 ci, one had the Triangle air cleaner and the other looked like the small air filter went up into the Hood. Knowing my father, he would finance the best since he had to make payments anyway. He said that he would get them blue printed and balanced. Knowing what I do today, since he worked in Mineola, he passed by Baldwin Moton and I WOULD SPECULATE TODAY THAT they PERFORMED THE WORK ON BOTH THE CONVERTABLES. HE DID NOT HAVE THAT STINGER HOOD, BUT HE MUST HAVE HAD THE ROCK CRUSHER STANDARD TRANS. IN THEM. I sat in the car on race day and he got up to 160 MPH in no time, we would race from light to light on the way to the track. They turned that field into the Nassa coliseum eventually. We would investigate every corner of that airport; I remember seeing a car/boat next to the old tower.

You said:

"Royal Pontiac, conducted some testing running at Motor City Dragway, using a 1967 GTO with a Q jet and then swapping a 1966 Tri power unit and it showed no appreciable improvement. The Q jet has proven itself to be a pretty good carburetor for making power.

Mikes reply"

In my Archives, that I have stored, some information of test trials, I mean lots of them, that I found on one of the forums, it shows all the different combos of Pontiacs racing each other, if any one wants me to scour my computer for that data, I will be glad, but give me some time.

There also was a test on an internet show, where they tested the Quad. vs dual carbs vs Tri-power on a dyno, all worked well and came in at different times, but the Tri-power won on aesthetics alone. The look wins, at a car show, every time.

[242177P]

Originally Posted by TRADERMIKE 2012

What are you willing to pay for this motor, if it increases the value of your vehicle from 100k with the period correct story to concourse matching code, correct now the market price is $ 250 K - $ 300k?

Without the rest of the car, it isn't numbers matching. It
won't be a 400 Firebird. Won't be a GTO either. It's a big
car. Could be a four door. And there's only ONE big car it
is right for, because the 1967 Billing History lists it's EUN.

Supply and demand. You say you have something rare, I
say your list of clients is incredibly limited. They will walk
away once they learn you expect them to pay out of their
arse for it. And that assumes the car even survived.

He feels this motor will add $150-$200K to a 67 B-body.

[TRADERMIKE 2012]

Originally Posted by 242177P

Without the rest of the car, it isn't numbers matching. It
won't be a 400 Firebird. Won't be a GTO either. It's a big
car. Could be a four door. And there's only ONE big car it
is right for, because the 1967 Billing History lists it's EUN.

Supply and demand. You say you have something rare, I
say your list of clients is incredibly limited. They will walk
away once they learn you expect them to pay out of their
arse for it. And that assumes the car even survived.

He feels this motor will add $150-$200K to a 67 B-body.

Mikes reply:

Only speculating, I don't know what my Engine was in, because the Vin. number is not associated with my EUN number. Yes, we do know that the B body is the most likely of all the big cars. That being said, any B-body, in 1967 is a candidate for my motor, if it had an HO 428 YK code (Automatic-4bbl) and they call out that 1035 were produced for 1967 according to my records.

Now add in the HO 428 ci motors that were installed in say Royal Pontiac, an upgrade option from the dealerships, the Factory sent the 428-crate motor to Royal and Royal had to pull the 400 ci say and that made the vehicle warrantable. Some GTO and Firebirds got them from Motion and the west coast dealers got them and upgraded vehicles. The really rare one would be one that was factory installed, that supposedly never happened, but there is an exception, that one might have gotten through, somehow, some way, or so I have read. That would be worth a fortune the writer wrote.

Thus, there are possibly 1035 vehicles to claim a YK code HO 428 ci and they won't have to match their Vin. because they never could and I only need the one.

Since my Block has the EUN number, means it could have been a factory installed motor or was it installed on the line or shelfed and sold over the counter?

I think that when it got assembled on the factory assembly area that is when it received its EUN number. How it got sold from there is a mystery.

One thing for sure, this motor deserves a new life and it is going to get one whose life is the question and what it ends up in is another thing, if I install it in my vehicle, I want the best it can be.

By the way, if I were to pay PHS $50, for the 1967 Billing History that lists its EUN, could I find out the Vehicle this motor could have been installed into?

[455dan]

Originally Posted by TRADERMIKE 2012

Mikes reply:

Only speculating, I don't know what my Engine was in, because the Vin. number is not associated with my EUN number. Yes, we do know that the B body is the most likely of all the big cars. That being said, any B-body, in 1967 is a candidate for my motor, if it had an HO 428 YK code (Automatic-4bbl) and they call out that 1035 were produced for 1967 according to my records.

Now add in the HO 428 ci motors that were installed in say Royal Pontiac, an upgrade option from the dealerships, the Factory sent the 428-crate motor to Royal and Royal had to pull the 400 ci say and that made the vehicle warrantable. Some GTO and Firebirds got them from Motion and the west coast dealers got them and upgraded vehicles. The really rare one would be one that was factory installed, that supposedly never happened, but there is an exception, that one might have gotten through, somehow, some way, or so I have read. That would be worth a fortune the writer wrote.

Thus, there are possibly 1035 vehicles to claim a YK code HO 428 ci and they won't have to match their Vin. because they never could and I only need the one.

Since my Block has the EUN number, means it could have been a factory installed motor or was it installed on the line or shelfed and sold over the counter?

I think that when it got assembled on the factory assembly area that is when it received its EUN number. How it got sold from there is a mystery.

One thing for sure, this motor deserves a new life and it is going to get one whose life is the question and what it ends up in is another thing, if I install it in my vehicle, I want the best it can be.

By the way, if I were to pay PHS $50, for the 1967 Billing History that lists its EUN, could I find out the Vehicle this motor could have been installed into?

PHS $50?

Times have changed, I think your pricing is a bit out of date

[TRADERMIKE 2012]

Originally Posted by TRADERMIKE 2012

Mikes reply:

Only speculating, I don't know what my Engine was in, because the Vin. number is not associated with my EUN number. Yes, we do know that the B body is the most likely of all the big cars. That being said, any B-body, in 1967 is a candidate for my motor, if it had an HO 428 YK code (Automatic-4bbl) and they call out that 1035 were produced for 1967 according to my records.

Now add in the HO 428 ci motors that were installed in say Royal Pontiac, an upgrade option from the dealerships, the Factory sent the 428-crate motor to Royal and Royal had to pull the 400 ci say and that made the vehicle warrantable. Some GTO and Firebirds got them from Motion and the west coast dealers got them and upgraded vehicles. The really rare one would be one that was factory installed, that supposedly never happened, but there is an exception, that one might have gotten through, somehow, some way, or so I have read. That would be worth a fortune the writer wrote.

Thus, there are possibly 1035 vehicles to claim a YK code HO 428 ci and they won't have to match their Vin. because they never could and I only need the one.

Since my Block has the EUN number, means it could have been a factory installed motor or was it installed on the line or shelfed and sold over the counter?

I think that when it got assembled on the factory assembly area that is when it received its EUN number. How it got sold from there is a mystery.

One thing for sure, this motor deserves a new life and it is going to get one whose life is the question and what it ends up in is another thing, if I install it in my vehicle, I want the best it can be.

By the way, if I were to pay PHS $50, for the 1967 Billing History that lists its EUN, could I find out the Vehicle this motor could have been installed into?

Mikes reply:

You said:


"Without the rest of the car, it isn't numbers matching. It won't be a 400 Firebird. Won't be a GTO either. It's a big car. Could be a four door. And there's only ONE big car it is right for, because the 1967 Billing History lists its EUN".


"1967 Billing History lists its EUN".

We have established that the EUN number is not part of the VIN. in 1967 and without the VIN. PHS can't tell us the Vehicle that my Engine was ever in or if it was ever installed on the factory line. If you can tell us, by all means, I am all ears.

There are (1035) 1967 428 HO YK code "special equipment" listed, mine is one of them, the other 1034 are the ones that I am looking for. B-body vehicles, 2+2, Cats, Bonn, Vent, GTO, Firebird, all could have this motor, if they checked the correct box, ect...Dealer installed option as in Royal Pontiac, notwithstanding...

P.S. I once saw a fan belt, in the package, with the proper markings, at least he claimed that, for sale for a vette, $15,000.00