[Sirrotica]

It's been posted here before that WIX no longer makes the majority of NAPA filters as they have in the past 50 years. WIX was bought out by Mann/Hummel, a Geman manufacturer, that sources almost all their filters globally.

Some of the You tube warriors, that dissect filters on their videos have shown that some of the new filters from H/M are not of the same quality, or construction, as the older versions were. Previously the same last 4 numbers of WIX and NAPA filters were identical inside, that has changed.

Formerly if you couldn't get a WIX part, the NAPA version was identical, no longer the case.

[Formulajones]

Originally Posted by Sirrotica

It's been posted here before that WIX no longer makes the majority of NAPA filters as they have in the past 50 years. WIX was bought out by Mann/Hummel, a Geman manufacturer, that sources almost all their filters globally.

Some of the You tube warriors, that dissect filters on their videos have shown that some of the new filters from H/M are not of the same quality, or construction, as the older versions were. Previously the same last 4 numbers of WIX and NAPA filters were identical inside, that has changed.

Formerly if you couldn't get a WIX part, the NAPA version was identical, no longer the case.

Not true, at least since I've cut them apart in the last couple months, they have been "THE SAME" and haven't changed in the 30 something years I've been cutting them.

Now if that changes with the next batch I'll be cutting apart here shortly, I'll report back, but I don't suspect I'll see anything different.

Of course our Napa is privately owned and not part of the chain, so they carry just a little bit different stuff than a regular Napa. Not sure if that makes a difference on Wix/Napa Gold filters though. I would assume that's from similar suppliers.

[Formulajones]

Of course where it comes from isn't really the issue for me. Everything we buy is this way now.

What is important is when I cut these things open I'm looking for differences in construction, material used etc... and as long as I'm seeing the same quality material and construction I really don't give a poop where it's coming from. The minute I see poor quality, I'll have to change brands at that point and look for something else, cut that open, rinse and repeat, until I find a good quality product. There are a few options out there

[mgarblik]

My local NAPA store informed me a couple days ago that their NAPA Gold/Wix filters were on sale for about 1 more week. Deep discounts too, like 40%-60% off.

So I ordered a bunch of filters for my cars, equipment and family members cars. The 1258 filters we are talking about for our Pontiacs, I ordered 4 of. Less than $6.00 each. They have a mat black paint finish instead of the gloss black you may be familiar with. The rubber seal is red/pink color. The business end has a clear plastic cover over it. Made in China. The other 12 part numbers I ordered were all made in Mexico or China. None in the US. FWIW.

[Formulajones]

Here ya go, I just got back from buying a handfull of 1060 Napa Gold oil filters (Wix) and they all still come wrapped in plastic like they always have for years, and still say "made in USA" Not that it always means much these days but it's still printed on there none the less.

[Sirrotica]

Originally Posted by Formulajones

Not true, at least since I've cut them apart in the last couple months, they have been "THE SAME" and haven't changed in the 30 something years I've been cutting them.

Now if that changes with the next batch I'll be cutting apart here shortly, I'll report back, but I don't suspect I'll see anything different.

Of course our Napa is privately owned and not part of the chain, so they carry just a little bit different stuff than a regular Napa. Not sure if that makes a difference on Wix/Napa Gold filters though. I would assume that's from similar suppliers.

Yeah it's true, here in Ohio and other parts of the US. As Mike has said, over 5 years. Here is the video that was made 2 years ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP8f...ipCityWrencher

Heres 2 Wix filters, #51348, one made in the US, one made in china.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/HnVdf_rYzP0

Before you insinuate I'm a liar, do your homework......

[Formulajones]

Originally Posted by Sirrotica

Yeah it's true, here in Ohio and other parts of the US. As Mike has said, over 5 years. Here is the video that was made 2 years ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP8f...ipCityWrencher

Heres 2 Wix filters, #51348, one made in the US, one made in china.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/HnVdf_rYzP0

Before you insinuate I'm a liar, do your homework......

Not insinuating anything, keep your panties on. Just blanket statements like that need more explanation, hence the reasons why others are seeing differences depending on locations. This isn't a simple one answer solves everything type of issue. I think that has become obvious now and worth explaining so this thread provides all the information possible and becomes more informative for everyone to read.

[Formulajones]

Originally Posted by Sirrotica

It's been posted here before that WIX no longer makes the majority of NAPA filters as they have in the past 50 years. WIX was bought out by Mann/Hummel, a Geman manufacturer, that sources almost all their filters globally.

Some of the You tube warriors, that dissect filters on their videos have shown that some of the new filters from H/M are not of the same quality, or construction, as the older versions were. Previously the same last 4 numbers of WIX and NAPA filters were identical inside, that has changed.

Formerly if you couldn't get a WIX part, the NAPA version was identical, no longer the case depending on where you are buying your Wix/Napa filters from, because there are apparently different suppliers depending on location.
As mentioned earlier, Wix and Baldwin are coming from different countries of origin so appearance and quality may differ from a given supplier

There, I fixed it for you

[Steve C.]

A rhetorical question and one that might set aside any political opinion.

In general, if an oil filter has a strong burst-resistant steel canister, a strong filter element with supported pleats, end caps/seam that are sealed tight and the capture efficiency (particle size retention) that meets your criteria....

would it really matter if it was made overseas.


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[Formulajones]

Originally Posted by Steve C.

A rhetorical question and one that might set aside any political opinion.

In general, if an oil filter has a strong burst-resistant steel canister, a strong filter element with supported pleats, end caps/seam that are sealed tight and the capture efficiency (particle size retention) that meets your criteria....

would it really matter if it was made overseas.


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That was exactly my point earlier when I said I don't care where it's coming from as long as it's quality. And with laws today that vary from state to state allowing companies to plaster "made in USA" on their products because they are doing some process here really waters down the "made in USA" statement.

There are very few businesses in this country anymore that do everything in house from start to finish, especially in the car industry.

[ZeGermanHam]

Originally Posted by Formulajones

That was exactly my point earlier when I said I don't care where it's coming from as long as it's quality. And with laws today that vary from state to state allowing companies to plaster "made in USA" on their products because they are doing some process here really waters down the "made in USA" statement.

There are very few businesses in this country anymore that do everything in house from start to finish, especially in the car industry.

This. I've gotten plenty of things that were made in the U.S. that were junk, and plenty of things that were made overseas that were fantastic quality. It's case-by-case, and just depends on the item in question.

[GTOLiam]

Just received a case from RA and they look and seem to weigh the same as my old ones. I might have to cut one open to compare now...