#1  
Old 04-25-2024, 09:39 AM
Stan Weiss's Avatar
Stan Weiss Stan Weiss is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 5,341
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt1970gto View Post
What made you go with the wedge over a set of tigers? Hell I’ve been asking myself why we went the RA5 route .
I think your Father's engine turned out quite well. I would be interested in how much better you think it would have been with Tiger heads? For me the elephant in the room is. If your engine was to a sister engine to his why did it turnout so much different?

Stan

__________________
Stan Weiss/World Wide Enterprises
Offering Performance Software Since 1987
http://www.magneticlynx.com/carfor/carfor.htm
David Vizard & Stan Weiss' IOP / Flow / Induction Optimization - Cam Selection Software
http://www.magneticlynx.com/DV
Download FREE 14 Trial IOP / Flow Software
http://www.magneticlynx.com/DV/Flow_..._Day_Trial.php
Pontiac Pump Gas List
http://www.magneticlynx.com/carfor/pont_gas.htm
Using PMD Block and Heads List
http://www.magneticlynx.com/carfor/pont_pmd.htm
  #2  
Old 04-25-2024, 08:56 PM
Matt1970gto Matt1970gto is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2024
Posts: 90
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stan Weiss View Post
I think your Father's engine turned out quite well. I would be interested in how much better you think it would have been with Tiger heads? For me the elephant in the room is. If your engine was to a sister engine to his why did it turnout so much different?

Stan
Different person rework my heads & built my intake. Based on the flow #s he got he recommended the bigger cam & header tube specs.
Not sure it would’ve turned out better but it sho would’ve been cheaper. I have saw tiger builds make good power & some not make good. Our 5 builds looked good on dyno but on the track I’ve yet to see a performance upgrade. We’re at Charlotte for the 4 wide so I will have a better idea tomorrow but I ran 9.90 @ 158 here in 17 with my 535 edelbrock combo that had a 1200 quick fuel. I just put a 1175 carb on my motor so we’ll see how it does. Dad ran 8.90 @ 165 with his 535 edelbrock combo & has been 8.90 @ 165 with his 5 combo. We added 30-35 cubic inch , head flow cfm went from 420s to over 500 & both got bigger cams.

  #3  
Old 04-26-2024, 12:13 AM
Stan Weiss's Avatar
Stan Weiss Stan Weiss is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 5,341
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt1970gto View Post
Different person rework my heads & built my intake. Based on the flow #s he got he recommended the bigger cam & header tube specs.
Not sure it would’ve turned out better but it sho would’ve been cheaper. I have saw tiger builds make good power & some not make good. Our 5 builds looked good on dyno but on the track I’ve yet to see a performance upgrade. We’re at Charlotte for the 4 wide so I will have a better idea tomorrow but I ran 9.90 @ 158 here in 17 with my 535 edelbrock combo that had a 1200 quick fuel. I just put a 1175 carb on my motor so we’ll see how it does. Dad ran 8.90 @ 165 with his 535 edelbrock combo & has been 8.90 @ 165 with his 5 combo. We added 30-35 cubic inch , head flow cfm went from 420s to over 500 & both got bigger cams.
Would happen to have a dyno sheet from that engine that you could post?

For 5 combo I get

1000 Foot ET = 7.5289
1/4 Mile ET = 8.9009
1/4 Mile MPH = 165.4635

Stan

__________________
Stan Weiss/World Wide Enterprises
Offering Performance Software Since 1987
http://www.magneticlynx.com/carfor/carfor.htm
David Vizard & Stan Weiss' IOP / Flow / Induction Optimization - Cam Selection Software
http://www.magneticlynx.com/DV
Download FREE 14 Trial IOP / Flow Software
http://www.magneticlynx.com/DV/Flow_..._Day_Trial.php
Pontiac Pump Gas List
http://www.magneticlynx.com/carfor/pont_gas.htm
Using PMD Block and Heads List
http://www.magneticlynx.com/carfor/pont_pmd.htm
  #4  
Old 04-26-2024, 04:54 AM
Matt1970gto Matt1970gto is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2024
Posts: 90
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stan Weiss View Post
Would happen to have a dyno sheet from that engine that you could post?

For 5 combo I get

1000 Foot ET = 7.5289
1/4 Mile ET = 8.9009
1/4 Mile MPH = 165.4635

Stan
I doubt I still have a sheet but it made 987 hp 775 trq & mine made 974 hp 823 trq. Dad went 5.27 @ 132 1.149 60 wide open in the 1/8th on a single carb & 5.19 @ 134 w/two 1050s. I went 5.29 @ 129 1.150 60 with a single carb. Can’t remember when dads was built but I started the 2016 season with mine. Broke the crank snout doing a burnout August of 17.

  #5  
Old 04-26-2024, 09:14 AM
Stan Weiss's Avatar
Stan Weiss Stan Weiss is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 5,341
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt1970gto View Post
Different person rework my heads & built my intake. Based on the flow #s he got he recommended the bigger cam & header tube specs.
Not sure it would’ve turned out better but it sho would’ve been cheaper. I have saw tiger builds make good power & some not make good. Our 5 builds looked good on dyno but on the track I’ve yet to see a performance upgrade. We’re at Charlotte for the 4 wide so I will have a better idea tomorrow but I ran 9.90 @ 158 here in 17 with my 535 edelbrock combo that had a 1200 quick fuel. I just put a 1175 carb on my motor so we’ll see how it does. Dad ran 8.90 @ 165 with his 535 edelbrock combo & has been 8.90 @ 165 with his 5 combo. We added 30-35 cubic inch , head flow cfm went from 420s to over 500 & both got bigger cams.
Would you happen to have a time slip from this run?

Trying to see where my simulation is off'

This what I get for the Edelbrock

1000 Foot ET = 7.4941
1/4 Mile ET = 8.9009
1/4 Mile MPH = 161.2443

Stan

__________________
Stan Weiss/World Wide Enterprises
Offering Performance Software Since 1987
http://www.magneticlynx.com/carfor/carfor.htm
David Vizard & Stan Weiss' IOP / Flow / Induction Optimization - Cam Selection Software
http://www.magneticlynx.com/DV
Download FREE 14 Trial IOP / Flow Software
http://www.magneticlynx.com/DV/Flow_..._Day_Trial.php
Pontiac Pump Gas List
http://www.magneticlynx.com/carfor/pont_gas.htm
Using PMD Block and Heads List
http://www.magneticlynx.com/carfor/pont_pmd.htm
  #6  
Old 04-26-2024, 01:00 PM
Matt1970gto Matt1970gto is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2024
Posts: 90
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stan Weiss View Post
Would you happen to have a time slip from this run?

Trying to see where my simulation is off'

This what I get for the Edelbrock

1000 Foot ET = 7.4941
1/4 Mile ET = 8.9009
1/4 Mile MPH = 161.2443

Stan
Probably not it’s been 4 years since dad ran that combo . I’ll see if i can one of his old logbooks

  #7  
Old 04-26-2024, 01:40 PM
Matt1970gto Matt1970gto is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2024
Posts: 90
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stan Weiss View Post
Would you happen to have a time slip from this run?

Trying to see where my simulation is off'

This what I get for the Edelbrock

1000 Foot ET = 7.4941
1/4 Mile ET = 8.9009
1/4 Mile MPH = 161.2443

Stan
I found a time slip with his DCI5 motor.
7.502 1000 ft
8.891 1/4
164.39 mph

  #8  
Old 04-26-2024, 02:47 PM
Stan Weiss's Avatar
Stan Weiss Stan Weiss is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 5,341
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt1970gto View Post
I found a time slip with his DCI5 motor.
7.502 1000 ft
8.891 1/4
164.39 mph
Thanks.

1000 Foot ET = 7.5067
1/4 Mile ET = 8.8873
1/4 Mile MPH = 164.3879

Stan

__________________
Stan Weiss/World Wide Enterprises
Offering Performance Software Since 1987
http://www.magneticlynx.com/carfor/carfor.htm
David Vizard & Stan Weiss' IOP / Flow / Induction Optimization - Cam Selection Software
http://www.magneticlynx.com/DV
Download FREE 14 Trial IOP / Flow Software
http://www.magneticlynx.com/DV/Flow_..._Day_Trial.php
Pontiac Pump Gas List
http://www.magneticlynx.com/carfor/pont_gas.htm
Using PMD Block and Heads List
http://www.magneticlynx.com/carfor/pont_pmd.htm

Last edited by Stan Weiss; 04-26-2024 at 02:57 PM.
  #9  
Old 04-26-2024, 04:14 PM
Matt1970gto Matt1970gto is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2024
Posts: 90
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stan Weiss View Post
Thanks.

1000 Foot ET = 7.5067
1/4 Mile ET = 8.8873
1/4 Mile MPH = 164.3879

Stan
Service is crap here at the track & the picture wouldn’t download. I had to dad on our last time run & the bearing came apart in the rearend right past the 330.

  #10  
Old 04-26-2024, 04:46 PM
johnta1's Avatar
johnta1 johnta1 is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: now sunny Florida!
Posts: 22,516
Default

Didn't lock up I hope?
Gonna be able to change it?



__________________
John Wallace - johnta1
Pontiac Power RULES !!!
www.wallaceracing.com

Winner of Top Class at Pontiac Nationals, 2004 Cordova
Winner of Quick 16 At Ames 2004 Pontiac Tripower Nats

KRE's MR-1 - 1st 5 second Pontiac block ever!

W.E.C moment


"Every man has a right to his own opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts."

"People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." – Socrates
  #11  
Old 04-26-2024, 05:11 PM
Matt1970gto Matt1970gto is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2024
Posts: 90
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stan Weiss View Post
Thanks.

1000 Foot ET = 7.5067
1/4 Mile ET = 8.8873
1/4 Mile MPH = 164.3879

Stan
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt1970gto View Post
Service is crap here at the track & the picture wouldn’t download. I had to dad on our last time run & the bearing came apart in the rearend right past the 330.
Had to run dad

Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:30 AM.

 

About Us

The PY Online Forums is the largest online gathering of Pontiac enthusiasts anywhere in the world. Founded in 1991, it was also the first online forum for people to gather and talk about their Pontiacs. Since then, it has become the mecca of Pontiac technical data and knowledge that no other place can surpass.

 




Copyright © 2017