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Old 10-17-2025, 12:45 AM
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There is another car that sold new in Burlington NC , at GAA auction in past year.
Think it was Pattern also. Will check for it.
Found it , not a Pattern Car.
Later built ++ options - non posi
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Old 10-17-2025, 12:47 AM
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Another Non - Pattern from GAA
02C Baltimore
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Old 10-17-2025, 09:13 AM
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Thanks for the PHS' BVZ!

I updated the web page.

I bolded the 2 pattern numbers I have in the Baltimore plant.
I wonder if the second 'batch' is determinable from the Zone ID, for instance in the Baltimore Plant:
ZBA551370 : pattern #41
ZBB515562 : pattern #41

The last letter may be useful?
All the Z's (Zone) are either 'A' or 'B'

I don't think the pattern #'s (DON) for all plants, each plant had their own pattern #'s (DON)
(why there may be possibly many same pattern #'s (DON) total like 5 17's)


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Old 10-17-2025, 09:20 AM
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Then after I posted above, the A Plant with 2 17's with the 'B' in the ID's



Don't really know how they determined the patter #/ DON's
(unless they went more than twice around)


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And I was looking at the wrong thing on the '17' in last post.


Too many numbers.


Anyway, Back to the 'A' and 'B' being 2 runs of numbers?


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Old 10-17-2025, 01:01 PM
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The build plant isn't a determination in the Pattern Count.
It's all about the selling Zone Number - aka Zone 16 Charlotte NC etc...
Each Zone had an individual exclusive count. No repeats or interlopers within a Zone.

3rd digit (ZBA - ZBB) is the payment form of the selling dealer.
A - GMAC financing
B - pre -approved Banking institution where a dealer has secured his own type of financing
C - Cash or Check
aka - how the dealer would pay PMD for the car

I posted 3 new PHS , only 1 was a Pattern. Just for you and North's overall file contents on the other 2.


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Old 10-17-2025, 01:26 PM
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Streamlining all of North's examples into individual Zones shows us there are no repeats within an individual Zone.
His Zone Count theory from a few years ago was indeed Correct.

Tracking them by individual Zone is the way to track the Pattern Cars.

Tracking by plant is just a way to get a handle on the VIN ranges.
If you had a sample with no docs or trim tag data - might could determine if VIN fits in Pattern range,
Problem is we have at least 2 interlopers , an 01B and an 01D , so far.

The 02C cars sort of throw a new wrench in the tail end.
Years ago , 02B were the latest documentable Patterns we could find.
At that time , all the 02C examples we found were Non-Pattern.
All confirmed data is good data .

Just would like to see - all in one place - a documented 02C car with its invoice and trim tag displayed.
For my own well being . lol

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