[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Quick and Easy debunk of 2P

This car was sparsely optioned , so it's easy to deal with.
Non- Radio , with Back Up Lamps
Coded 2P
# Debunked radio code #

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https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content...it=1536%2C2048

https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content...it=2048%2C1536

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[Baron Von Zeppelin]

John V. was having trouble authenticating 3P as padded dash.
Lack of study samples.
A couple of specimens on BaT lately proving out 3P as padded dash.

Also some seatbelt specimens to debunk the mixed up 5 O and 5 Z codes

That list should be banned , and a correct list reconstructed and distributed.
BaT uses that list too , and ignore corrections.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

Quick and Easy debunk of 2P
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Looks like they killed my picture linking.
They were working when first posted.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Code 2P
Radio DeBunk
Car is Non-Radio ,,,, with Back Up Lamps

[tempeonempty]

I recently submitted a 1964 GTO, Kansas City car.... PHS advised that they couldn't tell me all options because chevrolet controlled KC plant in 64, would I like to proceed? I asked well my determination (for what to do) on this car is whether it is a real tri power car or not, has a 5N, so I know it is GTO.... They elaborated yes, they can tell/know drive train but also 5N does not dictate GTO... They didn't elaborate on the reasoning...

I did proceed with them, car is a 4bbl, real GTO.... but it leaves me questioning what is the exception or an example of a 5N lemans out of KC(?)

[johnta1]

I would imagine they meant that the cowl tag does not make it a "GTO"
It is very easy to swap a GTO tag on a car and call it a 'GTO'.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

I agree with John .
A swapped trim tag - or reproduction trim tag - could skewer reality on a 64-65 from KC or PMD plant.

On a pure virgin car , the 5N rule holds true though.

The option codes on KC car manifests don't all match up with PMD order sheets.
PHS doesn't have the proper glossary to decode all the options.
John V. created a proper glossary for them.

Sounds like you are passing on the car.
Hope you find the right one you are looking for.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Seatbelt Code DeBunker : Trim Tag Code 5-O

These next 2 are both Kansas City plant cars.

Quote from John V. - Kansas research :

517 is the Sales Code 414 Seat Belt Deletion option.
...the Seat Belt Deletion at an option credit of $11 for those that stubbornly refused to pay for an option they didn't want.
The Group 5 Code O on the Data Plate identifies the deletion, the Fisher Trim Code used at KC to indicate that the now standard Front Pair Seat Belts should be omitted on this Body Assembly.

Pontiac made front seatbelts part of standard equipment in Jan. 64
You won't see trim tag code 5-O before Jan 1 ( KC and PMD plants ) - it was a given.
After Jan 1 there will be one of the 3 seatbelt codes on all the KC and PMD GTOs.
5-O Delete
5-W Deluxe with Bright Buckles and open spool retractors
5-Z Standard with Plastic covered buckles - no spool retractors

Car has 517 delete code , and 5-O