[82-T/A]

Originally Posted by johnta1

No one can make me buy what I don't want, but Automakers sure as hell can make me not able to buy what I want, like a new PONTIAC!

Seriously... Pontiac left us with some really cool cars, even at the very end. Designs are stunted somewhat due to modern NTSHA regulations imposed upon us by the insurance lobby (like the 60/40 rule), but we could still have some very, very cool looking cars. I can only imagine what Pontiac engineers would be building today.

Though, I also wonder if we didn't get ourselves out of some serious disappointment. Would Jimmy Hendrix still be cool today if he kept making music, or would he have become like Metallica where they made a bunch of crappy songs in the late 90s and early 2000s? I'm almost scared to think that GM of today might have created an egg-shaped Pontiac SUV sharing a platform with whatever crap Buick is currently selling.

[Joog]

Originally Posted by 82-T/A

Seriously... Pontiac left us with some really cool cars, even at the very end. Designs are stunted somewhat due to modern NTSHA regulations imposed upon us by the insurance lobby (like the 60/40 rule), but we could still have some very, very cool looking cars. I can only imagine what Pontiac engineers would be building today.

Though, I also wonder if we didn't get ourselves out of some serious disappointment. Would Jimmy Hendrix still be cool today if he kept making music, or would he have become like Metallica where they made a bunch of crappy songs in the late 90s and early 2000s? I'm almost scared to think that GM of today might have created an egg-shaped Pontiac SUV sharing a platform with whatever crap Buick is currently selling.

I go by that second paragraph, I would think Pontiac would have ended up like Buick, a bunch of crappy crossovers. I think it was better Pontiac stopped when it did so the name couldn't get tarnished.

[The Champ]

Originally Posted by Joog

I go by that second paragraph, I would think Pontiac would have ended up like Buick, a bunch of crappy crossovers. I think it was better Pontiac stopped when it did so the name couldn't get tarnished.

Buick only had 3 models (Enclave, LaCrosse and Lucerne) in 2009 and had total sales of only 102,000 in 2009.

The Buick Enclaves (which is essentially a Chevy Traverse) was there best selling vehicle.

Pontiac sold about 90,000 more vehicles than Buick and had a much broader lineup.

Pontiac had the G3, G5, G6, G8, Montana, Solstice, Torrent and Vibe. The G6 was Pontiac's best seller, easily outselling the Torrent, Pontiac's only crossover.

Pontiac had 2 convertibles - the G6 retractable and the Solstice roadster. They had the G8 with a V8.

Bottom line, Pontiac sold mostly CARS that Pontiac people wanted and the crossover was a mere sideline.

When I bought a 2006 Pontiac Torrent new, it was a second vehicle to go with our Pontiac GP GT. I most likely would have bought a G8 to replace the GP had GM ****canned Buick instead of Pontiac.

[kingbuzzo]

designed by Johnny fIve from crApple...it shows lol

[KS circutguy]

Originally Posted by kingbuzzo

designed by Johnny fIve from crApple...it shows lol

I can’t believe they stole that design from the Nissan Leaf.

I thought the public was rejecting a lot of the electric car push. Just watched a video where people touring a boneyard in Dallas where all the outdated and broken Tesla's are due to the costs associated with repair. At some point, they all become scrap due to the costs to repair.

Is there some unwritten rule with EVs that you can't just swap an ICE power train with an EV power train and not change a thing about the exterior styling?

Why does every EV look like it lost a future car contest?

[Nobuddy]

Originally Posted by KS circutguy

Is there some unwritten rule with EVs that you can't just swap an ICE power train with an EV power train and not change a thing about the exterior styling?

The lack of an engine bay is likely the largest obstacle. "@RichRebuilds" did a V8 Model S on YouTube.

[ta6point6]

The car may start reporting information about you but your phone has been doing this for years. Why are people so afraid of EVs?

[The Champ]

Originally Posted by ta6point6

The car may start reporting information about you but your phone has been doing this for years. Why are people so afraid of EVs?

Not afraid of EV's.

They are just not practical for where I live, work and play. Someday they might be of interest to me.

[JimFB400HO]

Originally Posted by ta6point6

The car may start reporting information about you but your phone has been doing this for years. Why are people so afraid of EVs?

I only thought my preference was based on how the characteristics of the products match my needs. I was unaware that my choice is because of a phobia.

Second, do I realize the potential intrusiveness of technologies today? Yes and I attempt to minimize the personal information collected. That does not mean that I should not oppose and avoid a vehicle (both for ICE and EV) technology that will stare at my face every second I'm driving, transmit my location to unknown sources advertising that I am not home and won't be for hours, or notify authorities and companies of my driving. I read 1984.