[cls]

They are now taking orders...got a letter 2 days ago....intake and heads roughly 7500.00

[Brian Baker]

George,

Take 2 cars...a Cadillac and a Saturn. Both are made from steel, glass, plastic, rubber, etc. Both are built on assembly lines. Both will get you from point A to point B.

Why is the Cadillac 20 to 30 thousand dollars more than the Saturn?

Do you get the picture?

Both the KRE and the Edelbrock heads will see (and for the E-heads, have seen) a larger market than the S.C. or DCI heads will see (or have seen). The higher the number of units sold, the lower the price.

Also, like the Cadillac differs from the Saturn, so too do the design of the DCI and S.C. heads differ from KRE or E-heads.

There is your price difference.

[GTOGEORGE]

Let me clear something up when I asked why the DCI head was $4,000 more then KRE'S head I was not knocking the DCI head. In fact if I already hadn't bought a set of Superchiefs I might have been one of the first to order a set from DCI (can't afford both). But I still don't understand why they are $4,000 more.........$1,500-2,000 more maybe. They are both aluminum Pontiac heads, they both have had an awful lot of trying & testing done on them. I give.

[BVR421]

its must be marketing, make them a mystery, make them nearly unobtainable and keep the price skyhigh LOL
they go on the dyno in a couple months for all the world to see. DCI heads tuned by Dale Eicke of prostock fame.
410ci the PHR smallblock shootout. I hope they make a good showing among the 7 Pontiac entries.
they will have to show significant power over the independent entries with home ported KREs and Eheads.
several thousand dollars of significant power

[J.C.you]

i see they have a website started, but no info?Dragula, car to share their letter and their claims, if any?

[russ467]

Not sounding like a smart A$$, but I would prefer to see flow numbers at the 1.250 lift mark or how bout without the valve in it!

[Tom Vaught]

Brian,

You are banging your heads against a wall with George. I have been
there and done that. Some may not understand your point but I do.

Same example can be applied between a Roush ported intake manifold and a Wilson Ported intake.

Both by well-known in the industry businesses, BUT WE ALL KNOW which one is faster.

What is done, why it is done, and how it is done can all contribute
to getting a great part. I wish the DCI guys good success with their
heads and the same for the IA-2 guys.

Hint: Roush pays Wilson to have good intakes on his cars.

Tom V.

[Brian Baker]

FYI:

.900" lift is getting into Pro Stock territory.

Both Jack Gaydosh and Scott Rex (who run Super Chiefs) run pretty tall cams, just exactly how tall I cannot say, but if they were in the neighborhood of .900" lift I would not at all be shocked.

[cls]

I would be interested in knowing whatt the round port and D ports with the stock exhaust location flow????

I assume they flow approx 400 on the intake side.

[PONTIAC DUDE]

I remember when the S.C. heads became available. Larry didn't have cars running those heads before they hit the market. He stated #'s and people bought them. Even and especially knowing the past issues his previous heads had. And the issues they even come with and knowing that they will need to be fixed or repaired after they were purchased.

So what's the difference. Between then and now?
Except that the DCI heads are being bad mouthed without anyone even using them. I just don't understand?
Pricy....Yes and Big time.

Especailly since a 460 Ford head produced by Trick Flow is $2100.00 complete and flows out of the box over 400 cfm. And any BBC head can be purchased for the same price flowing over 375 out of the box. <span class="ev_code_RED">Complete</span>

[Wade Congdon]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BVR421:
its must be marketing, make them a mystery, make them nearly unobtainable and keep the price skyhigh LOL
they go on the dyno in a couple months for all the world to see. DCI heads tuned by Dale Eicke of prostock fame.
410ci the PHR smallblock shootout. I hope they make a good showing among the 7 Pontiac entries.
they will have to show significant power over the independent entries with home ported KREs and Eheads.
several thousand dollars of significant power <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

We have been working with several of the Engine Master's Challenge teams and can tell you that no Engine Master's Challenge engine will have the DCI head on it, if for no other reason it was not commercially availble by the cutoff date for legal parts.

[cls]

They are now taking orders...got a letter 2 days ago....intake and heads roughly 7500.00

[Tom McQueen]

I believe the ONLY way the heads are available is in complete form.

[rumair]

if i win the lottery...

[Brian Baker]

Shaft rocker system most likely included in that price too, George...which isn't with the "lesser" heads.

[GoatRider]

My stupid question of the week...

How the heck can you have .900" lift without getting valve-piston contact?

Are the shape of the combustion chambers so different that the valve seat area is like .300" farther from the deck than on a "normal" Pontiac head?

Thanks to anyone who answers the rookie on this one,

John

[GTOGEORGE]

Ok, will someone please explain to me why the DCI head is almost $6,000 which is 3 times more then KRE's head. Both are made out of the same Aluminumm both have a lot of R & D behind them, both are Pontiac heads. We aren't talking $1,000 more but.......$4,000 more?

[Brian Baker]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GTOGEORGE:
Let me clear something up when I asked why the DCI head was $4,000 more then KRE'S head I was not knocking the DCI head. In fact if I already hadn't bought a set of Superchiefs I might have been one of the first to order a set from DCI (can't afford both). But I still don't understand why they are $4,000 more.........$1,500-2,000 more maybe. They are both aluminum Pontiac heads, they both have had an awful lot of trying & testing done on them. I give. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

George, if you're comparing the DCI head (which sounds like it will be a race head for the same market as the Wenzler S.C.) to that of KRE's new aluminum d-port head.....apples and oranges.

KRE, to my knowledge, doesn't offer an "off the shelf" 400-cfm head, in any form. Now if you'd like a set of their custom billets, like Mellot has on his car, I'm sure they're more than the S.C. or the DCI head.

[GTOGEORGE]

Brian,
Lets try this.......2 Roller camshafts, one is for the street and the other is for the strip. Now the only difference is their lift and duration. Both are made of the same material and both made for a Pontiac, so they should be priced pretty close together(or in the same zip code). How is that?

[D. Miles]

Is that $7,500.00 for complete heads and an intake because that wouldn't be a bad price! But if that is for bare heads, then whooaa!!! If I think correctly aren't the WENZLER S.C.'s $1,300.00 for bare castings? D. Miles