[MorkGTO]

I have a 67 GTO Conv with a three speed Dearborn (Ford) tranny. I was wondering if anybody out there has this tranny and the Hurst shifter. I'm trying to replace either the rubber grommets that go in the shifter arm holes and the tranny arm holes that the shifter rods go into. I bought the Hurst pit pack so I could replace the bushings but it appears that the bushings do not fit in the shifter arm holes. On this transmission am I supposed to use the OE Rubber Grommets that Mr Gasket sells or the Hurst pit pack? If it is the OE Rubber Grommets, do I use the Ford grommets or the GM grommets?

[MorkGTO]

I have a 67 GTO Conv with a three speed Dearborn (Ford) tranny. I was wondering if anybody out there has this tranny and the Hurst shifter. I'm trying to replace either the rubber grommets that go in the shifter arm holes and the tranny arm holes that the shifter rods go into. I bought the Hurst pit pack so I could replace the bushings but it appears that the bushings do not fit in the shifter arm holes. On this transmission am I supposed to use the OE Rubber Grommets that Mr Gasket sells or the Hurst pit pack? If it is the OE Rubber Grommets, do I use the Ford grommets or the GM grommets?

[MorkGTO]

Ok, I've figured out that I need both the grommets on the shifter arm holes and the trannt arm holes. The question I have now is where can I get the bushings (either nylon or metal) for the same holes since the Hurst pit pack is too large?

[stevek0629]

I have the same problem on my '67 Lemans with the three speed.

I look forward to someone posting the answer......

Steve

[Stuart]

Hurst offers a factory rebuild service for old shifters, you can read about it at
http://www.mrgasket.com/hurstfaq.htm

Is your shifter original equipment? On their webpage it talks a little about Hurst shifters that came as original equipment, and it says the linkage was different from aftermarket Hurst shifters. That may be the problem.

They also have a tech support telephone number you can call at 216.688.8300 ext. 5, 8:30 a.m. – 12 p.m. and 1 p.m. - 5:00 p.m. EST or fax 216.688.8306

[NOZZLENUT05]

My suggestion would be to give Peter Serio a call or email. He offers a rebuild service for hurst shifters as well as gauge services. www.precisionpontiac.com He might just be able to help you out. He posts here sometimes as well.

[Peter Serio]

The original "factory" shifter for all of the 1964 thru 72 GTOs were all
built under contract by Hurst for General Motors(Pontiac). They were all
Hurst but Pontiac decided to make their own shift linkage to save money.
(They could easily make linkage as they made whole cars!)
The rods & levers they made were designed for long life underneath a street
driven car with little to no maintenance. They decided to "bush" the ends of
the 3 rods in rubber to A.) keep them quiet, (prevent rattles on high
mileage cars; & B.) to absorb vibration and noise from the transmission
gears & prevent this noise from coming up thru the shifter & making faint
whirring &/or rattling noises inside of the car with the windows rolled up @
70MPH on the freeways.
[IMG] http://images.andale.com/f2/130/124/...fterLevers.jpg [/IMG]



The replacement bushings that Hurst sells today, (as their "pit-pack") are
NOT DESIGNED, & WILL NOT FIT any of the Factory OEM Hurst shifters, these
partsthe pit-pack) are designed for aftermarket replacement Hurst shifters because the holes in the shifter levers are a different size so the bushing will fit.

I hope this helps clear up any confusion on what works & what will not.

Peter Serio
Owner, Precision Pontiac

[Peter Serio]

OH, one more thing; on the post above, I am speking about all of the 1967 thru 1972 "OEM" shifters, the early(1964 thru 1966) shifters WILL accept the PIT-PACK service bushings & are designed so that you CAN replace them every couple of years or so if you need to. They come in steel, & also white Nylon, as with the 67 & up shifters, noise inside of the car can be a factor, if you want it quiet inside of your car with the windows up & the A/C on then, USE THE NYLON BUSHINGS!!! If you drag-race or if you don't care about the noise, or you don't have A/C, then you can RUN THE STEEL BUSHINGS!!! As you decide.
PrecisionPontiac.com

Peter Serio
Owner, Precision Pontiac

[Peter Serio]

Peter Serio
Owner, Precision Pontiac

[Peter Serio]

Here is a 1965 GTO 4 speed Shifter, you can see the hole is the proper diameter to use the bushings out of the Pit-Pack. The 67 & up OEM shifter levers holes are no bigger around than the OEM rod ends. This is why you can't use the pit-pack's pieces on anything past 1967 when your running an Original shifter in your GTO.


Peter Serio
Owner, Precision Pontiac

[MorkGTO]

Peter,

That's great information that you gave! Thanks for the lengthy replies and pictures.

The only question I have then is, On my 67 GTO should I just replace the OE rubber grommets on the shifter arms and tranny arms with new and that's it? Or, it appears in the restoration guide that they also used a bushing (like the pit pack), that fits into the outer circle of the grommet, as a spacer between the shift rod and shifter arms and tranny arms to reduce the space?

[Peter Serio]

Hi, you can't replace the rubber on the shifter because the "service" part is no longer available. 2nd question: & there is NO bushing that goes in the hole on the 67 & up shifters. There is no way to put any bushing in the hole. As it is the exact same size as the rod ends(adjusters). It is impossible to replace the rubber molded ends on the transmission levers. There were never any parts to replace them offered by GM that I am aware of, (only NOS levers; if they can be found). I made new levers for the 1-2 & 3-4 shifts for all 67 & 68 w/4speeds. I decided to make them so that they accept the bushing( Pit-pack) instead of the rubber molded ends.

Peter Serio
Owner, Precision Pontiac

[Peter Serio]

3rd question: A thin washer goes on the side of the OEM molded rubber, one on each of the 3 levers.

Peter Serio
Owner, Precision Pontiac

[MorkGTO]

Well, I don't know if Hurst (Mr. Gasket) is lying to me but they sell a OE rubber grommet for GM part #2807186. They are claiming that those are the grommets that go on the arms. Do you know of that part?

[Peter Serio]

Hi, Yes I am aware of that part #280-7186. They(Hurst, Mr. Gasket) used to sell a replacement rubber piece that would fit into the openings of the 1967 & up OEM 3 & 4 spd. shifter levers, (again these parts did not look anything like the original molded part, but they would fit). I tried to order some of them a month ago & I was sent a small amount of white Nylon washers? When I asked what these were for, they said "these are the replacements for the rubber grommets which are no longer available". The direction I got was that you put a washer on one side of the lever(trunnion) & another washer on the other side & then you put the spring clip back on. This is all they(Hurst)Mr.Gasket offer as of 7-22-03.

Peter Serio
Owner, Precision Pontiac

[MorkGTO]

I just received a reply from a technician at Mr. Gasket about the rubber grommet they have lited online and in their catalogs. According to them part number 2807186 is the rubber grommet that goes into the shifter and tranny arm holes. I ordered it through Jegs under their part # 530-280-7186, for those that may need it.

[Peter Serio]

Hi, I also ordered the "bushings" from Jegs last month & this is what I was sent:


Peter Serio
Owner, Precision Pontiac

[MorkGTO]

That blows! For a replacement part that looks nothing like a rubber grommet! Well, I guess it will have to do it's either those or nothing!

Thanks for all your help Peter I really appreciate it.

[Peter Serio]

Here is a rundown so far of what we have:
#1 OEM NOS shifter lever
#2 OEM 4 spd shifter lever with original rubber totally removed
#3 replacement rubber "grommet" they used to offer
#4 current "replacement" washer for part #3


Peter Serio
Owner, Precision Pontiac

[Peter Serio]

Actually this issue is not such a big trauma, as the original directions
show clearly that you need to slice off the OEM rubber grommets anyway. If
your GM (factory) rods are all worn-out, loose & sloppy; then I'd just get
the new PYs Hurst KPO linkage kit .


Peter Serio
Owner, Precision Pontiac