[Fullhouse]

I finally got one of those Edelbrock intakesand a set of fuel rails that I've seen on their website.Now I've got to sta the yard sales up to get the rest of the parts (hehe). This intake is based on the torker II part # 50565an the fuel rails are #3637. They have two other intakes to choose from.

[Skip Fix]

man that motor makes me dizzy looking at all the hoses and tubes! Pretty slick setup!

[Hammered]

Skip,

The problem I had with the short TBs was the throttle linkage interference with the air cleaner, otherwise I would've just added a spacer.

Kinsler might be the outfit you're thinking of. They can convert just about anything. They have a picture of a Pontiac caliope setup in their catalogue - talk about retro look!

J.

[Steve C.]

F.A.S.T. is now marketing a complete fuel system to make the switch from carburetion to EFI simplier. Covers street to drag race applications.
Kits include fuel pump, prefilter,post-filter,Y-block and fuel regulator, along wirh necessary fittings and wiring harnesses.

http://wwwfuelairspark.com

[78 GHOST]

Morning Jim, I'll take a stab at it!

There are currently two major styles of FI: TBI & Port.

TBI is Throttle Body Injection whereby the carburator is exchanged for a Throttle Body similar in appearance to a carb, with injectors (usually 2 or 4) inside the venturis of the Throttle Body. While an improvement over carburation, still suffers from "pooling" and other carb style problems. Manifold selection is very similar to carb. manifold selection, ie: dual plane is best for street. No, or virtually no changes needed to manifold.

Port FI: Port FI is currently the hot ticket. Port FI uses 8 (or more) individual injectors mounted close to the intake port. On a V-8, typically there are two fuel rails feeding the injectors on each respective bank of cylinders.
Having the fuel introduced close to the intake port eliminates "carb style" problems such as pooling and enables the user greater freedom in manifold selection. In other words, it's possible with a port system to use a single plane manifold (such as the Torker II) on the streed without ill manners as all it's doing is conveying air.. not air and fuel. The intake manifold must be modified to accept fuel injector bungs, and fuel rails. What isn't shown (and is the expensive part) of the FI setup, is the Throttle body, MAF or Speed Density sensor, Computer, Fuel system (carb system is totally inadequate for FI.)

I'm leaving a lot out here, but you get the idea.

From a $ point of view, carbs are very difficult to beat.

From a bling, and drivability point of view, FI can be better.

For fuel economy, FI is hard to beat.

For total HP output, a well setup FI and Carb. will be virtually identical.

For me, I'd like to do a FI engine not to make more power, but to see how well I could get a Pontiac to run at RPMs other than WOT. I'd like to be able to run solid 12s and get 20 MPG with the A/C on.

THAT is what makes FI appealing to me.

[Fake Goat]

Weren't they coming out with a complete system and not just the intake/fuel rail combo? Maybe that is what is supposed to be released by the end of the year.

[78 GHOST]

John, I can't wait for your pics. I have a silly question for you..

On these EFI systems, you guys are talking about TB units as if they're interchangable. I know the ECM prolly only cares about Ohms and Volts for each input, but how interchangable are they?

[quicksilver97ta]

Awsome. Is a F.A.S.T. system the way to go with this? Who makes a throttle body for it? Any suggestions?

[krisr]

How much?

[disc0monkey]

even though the expense it would really be worth it on a daily driver, or a frequently used street car

[Mo]

I just ordered one from Summit on line. I went to edelbrocks web site and got the part #. went to summits site and put an "edl" in front of the part # and it worked. For example, edl-29575 in the search box brought up the Victor EFI manifold with standard 4150 mount. It cost $380.69. I also ordered their fuel rails Edl-3634 $81.69. Both parts are back ordered til 11/10/04. I think the torkerII version is about $100 cheaper.
Skip, don't need a crossover with port fuel injection. The injectors do all of the atomization. Some systems(ford)use coolant to the throttle boby to prevent ice up on really cold days.
I dont think their complete system will be out for a while. There are alot of companies that can hook you up. Kinsler, Fast, Accel just to name a few. <span class="ev_code_RED">WARNING</span> Fuel injection can and will cost thousands of dollars. Like $3-4 when all is done. Some guys have come up with set ups to retrofit older FI systems to work on other cars. That may be ok for a stock type motor. Not real good for high performance use. Hope this helps.

[Skip Fix]

Man it all looks slick!

[Trips4me]

Hey Skip Fix... Small world.. not to many cornfields in Frisco anymore. I've been in Dallas for 11 years and I can remember coming out here to eat at the Mexican restaurant and that was all there was.... My wife tells me there used to be a "cat" house across the street from the restaurant... ever been there??
I'm moving to Prosper next year.. building a new house with a big garage... now Prosper, there's some still a lot of cornfields out there!

[Skip Fix]

Hammered, you are one step ahead of me. EFI will eventually mnake it on my TA. I've been pleased with the Torker II on it so far running 10.90s with it. I also have a Holley Commander 950 and TBI 950 TBI setup new in box to use. Thought about having them upgrade it to the new Pro software and wide band O2 sensor so it tunes itself some.

The new pump gas motor for it is on the stand now.

Trips -Frisco TX . I remember when that was way out of Dallas on 2 lane Preston Road! We used to race off Preston and Arapaho when they had it divided it, lights but corn fields each side! Before the subdivisions started there.

[Stuart]

I wonder why they made it so you have to use those tiny injectors. You'd think they would have designed the system around something more common (and cheaper.)

[larry davis]

GIT-R-DONE!

[Skip Fix]

I grew up at Hillcrest and 635(LBJ) and remember when they built LBJ. We used to cruise Forest Lane to line up races then go out to Arapho to run them. Back when there was a KMart at Forest and Marsh and they had to close on weekend with the blue laws Saturday night had live bands and burn out contests in the parking lot! Back then had my dual quad 409 Impala that ran low 12s, pretty fast for the time.

[Hammered]

I would've posted pictures by now but time and issues have conspired against me.

1. Standard Bosch injectors won't work with the T2 version of the Victor EFI manifold. Took the Edelbrock Tech a while to get the answer for me, but it was designed for use with compact disc type injectors like those sold by Edelbrock. My EMIC is very understanding and should have the right ones coming to me soon.

2. The fuel rails are canted sharply in toward the TB causing clearance issues. Had I gone with a short TB, I could've used a spacer to get it up off the fuel rails. A thick gasket solved the linkage clearance issues but I'll need to modify the TPS to get the proper clearance on that side.

3. The SS lines I had prebent in larger than stock diameters were not going to go under the car without numerous splices. After some serious debate, the company that supplied them is using my originals to make a new set.

4. I've got over $150 invested in AN fittings with more to be bought - another cost consideration for anyone thinking of going EFI.

I'm on my way to China this weekend and will post pics once I return in early Nov. I'll have lots of time to study the Gen 7 manual while I'm gone

John

[GoatRider]

EFI would be sweet for sure, just not in the budget.

What I can't figure out is how a ~1000cfm throttle body costs the same or more than a VERY nice 1000cfm carberator? And that's not even including the TPSensor or brackets!

I mean isn't it basically the same thing but with WAY less internal "works" inside????

[Skip Fix]

I looked clser and no exhaust crossover??