[RAJ7395]

Anyone know what the heck this means? It's printed in the middle of my cars invoice.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

CMD = Credit Memo Document

What is the build date on the cowl tag , and the invoice date ?
Can you post the whole Invoice ?

It 'might' have been a PMD or PMD Zone use car before it went to a dealer.

[RAJ7395]

Sure. Here it is.

In short, 69 firebird 400 HO automatic with a black power convertible top, Palladium silver body color, black deluxe interior, and some nice options. I had hoped it was a RAIII car.

[mysticmissle]

that is a nice option list!

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Need to know the build date code from the trim tag - and see if it predates the Invoice by a ~more than normal~ margin.

A lot of CMD's are for missing options that didn't get installed.
But yours is a full discount on the entire car.
Usually relates to a car with previous use by PMD / PMD Zone.
The " 21* " in lower left above dealer name also relates to that.


And that's a sweet piece of Firebird you have !
It's the same engine as a 69 TA [ code YW ] with LongBranch manifolds.
A lot of us still call it a RamAir III Engine - even though RamAir Induction was an additional option by itself with that engine in a Firebird.

I don't know which carb that engine would have came with, but guessing a Non-RamAir number 262 , 264 , 268 variety.
Have never looked into it

[Tellyshavilli]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

Need to know the build date code from the trim tag - and see if it predates the Invoice by a ~more than normal~ margin.

A lot of CMD's are for missing options that didn't get installed.
But yours is a full discount on the entire car.
Usually relates to a car with previous use by PMD / PMD Zone.
The " 21* " in lower left above dealer name also relates to that.


And that's a sweet piece of Firebird you have !
It's the same engine as a 69 TA [ code YW ] with LongBranch manifolds.
A lot of us still call it a RamAir III Engine - even though RamAir Induction was an additional option by itself with that engine in a Firebird.

I don't know which carb that engine would have came with, but guessing a Non-RamAir number 262 , 264 , 268 variety.
Have never looked into it

Definately non ra carb 7029268
I’ve had a few 69 ho FBs and 267 on the sticks

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by Tellyshavilli

Definately non ra carb 7029268
I’ve had a few 69 ho FBs and 267 on the sticks

Thanks Telly

Another notable i noticed was the HO Engine option was discounted when the Ram Air Induction option was added with it. (on the 2 RA cars i have invoices on)
$408.66 HO - alone
$369.67 HO - when RA / #611 added
so that brought the actual expense of adding RA down to about $45

{further reference - Base 400 option was $273.83 - pretty good jump in price for just a hair more cam and better manifolds with the HO option for extra $135}

Originally Posted by RAJ7395

BVZ Thank you for the information!! Do you think that I should ask PHS to look for an earlier invoice for the bird??

Yes, can't hurt.
I think the closer to the time you initially paid for the documents - the better the chance they actually scour through to look for additional invoices.
Thats just based on observation, not necessarily a fact.
Has been hit and miss all along for the multi-invoice cars.
Some cars have had 3 separate invoices, i think Mike Noun mentioned one with 4 invoices once.

[north]

The lower price for the 400 HO wasn't related to ordering the ram air option. The price of the 400 HO option had 8 different prices for the 1969 model and none relate to the ram air option! (same situation for the option price of the regular 400 which was always exactly $76.88 less than the 400 HO).

The following will probably make your head spin, it did mine when I was figuring all this out!

Three factors impacted the price of the 400 HO, time of manufacture, transmission choice, and bodystyle.

During the 69 model run there are 5 periods of different pricing and/or content on the Firebirds. Of these 5 periods three of them affected the price of the 400 HO option. On Dec 5th all engine option prices were adjusted slightly, in the case of the 400 and 400HO it was a slight increase. From there the prices on all the three 400 engine options changed again on March 29th to reflect the reduction in standard equipment on the base Firebird. This in effect increased the price of these engine options (base Firebird tire was downgraded so 400 options had to reflect the greater step up cost to the F70 redline for example).

This third time period also created a new price difference between the three 400 options on coupes versus convertibles (because drip moldings were no longer standard on base cars but 400 optioned cars had drip moldings.

The other price factor was transmission. In effect the 400 and 400 HO option prices included the step up from the standard light duty column shift M12 to the HD floor shift 3 speed M13. This tranny was $84.26 when ordered on base engine Firebirds so if you ordered a 4 speed or a M40 with a 400 or 400 HO option the price of the engine option was lowered by exactly the same $84.26 so you wouldn't in effect be double charged for the transmission option.

To make some sense of it here is the price chart for a 400 option with all those variables. Adding $76.88 to any of these numbers will give you the exact cost of a 400 HO option in each case.

.............................................Coupe .................................Convert
.............................................3spd. ......4spd-auto.......3spd.......4spd-auto
up to Dec 4.................358.09....273.83...............3 58.09....273.83
dec 5-mar 29..............377.05....292.79...............377 .05.....292.79
march 30 +..................431.81......347.56............. ...416.01......331.76

This silliness spread to the TA option which also had 8 possible prices.

[RAJ7395]

The cowl tag date is 06A same as my 69 TA. Original carb is long gone and I parted out most of the car earlier this year. There wasn't a rust free panel on it.

I bought it for the engine as it's perfect for my 69 TA.

[necdb3]

Originally Posted by RAJ7395

The cowl tag date is 06A same as my 69 TA. Original carb is long gone and I parted out most of the car earlier this year. There wasn't a rust free panel on it.

I bought it for the engine as it's perfect for my 69 TA.

Does it have 62 heads? Probably had 7029270 carb.

[RAJ7395]

Yep 62 heads. I have a correctly dated original 7029270 carb for it when I drop it in my TA.

So what was the list cost of the Ram Air Hood pans?

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

$84.26
Option #611 Hood R/A Inlet
on a 400 HO car

Too bad the old gal wasn't able to make a comeback.
Was a real nice option list.

There would have been another invoice before this one.
Guessing it was a pre-arranged scenario for a friend of a vested PMD Zone or Norwood employee.
Probably ran the miles up as quickly as possible to the 3,000 mile quota.
The dates are only 3-4 weeks apart.
3 months or 3,000 miles was the quota before they were made available for resale with full warranty.

[RAJ7395]

If I were to find my 69 TAs original block or a closely dated YW block, I be all for putting this one back together as it does have it's born with block and transmission.

[muscle_collector]

whats the last 3 of your vin? ive got a few YW left. with so few built you never know if i got yours.

[RAJ7395]

PM sent! I've been looking for the block and PQ trans for my 69 TA for 23 years now. I would be absolutely floored if someday one or both are found.

[4dblnkldude]

On the invoice...what is the decklid option?

[johnta1]

I think that is the trunk release button?

[RAJ7395]

BVZ Thank you for the information!! Do you think that I should ask PHS to look for an earlier invoice for the bird??

The car did have have NOS front fenders installed at some point in its life. Judging by the extreme rot in those fenders, they had to have been there for quite some time. The car was parked in a barn in the late 90s.

[north]

Interesting about the 400HO only using the "ram air" carbs when the hood inlet option was ordered. I guess this means that the carb tuning difference was based on the cooler air temp coming in rather than any cam change related to the HO engine?

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Probably so, just as you said.

The 70 GTO 455HO , when ordered with additional RA Induction , also stepped the carb up to the RA model carbs.
No better exhaust manifolds or better cam involved with them , just the Induction.