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rabon008 · #1 12-15-2004, 11:27 PM

Goathead wrote: You may want to research that, I read it was going to be 50 lbs heavier....

Pontiac.com shows the '05 GTO to be 3725 pounds while the '04 GTO is 3770 pounds. That's 45 pounds LIGHTER, in case you thought that was the bull...anyway...I'll be waiting to hear what was bull.

Goathead · #2 12-12-2004, 07:37 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> posted December 11, 2004 07:28 PM
If a little extra plastic means that much to you guys then you need help.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The car needed help, and the plastic did help. You, on the other hand, seem to be beyound help, but keep trying..

Goathead · #3 12-15-2004, 07:52 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>40 pounds or so lighter <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You may want to research that, I read it was going to be 50 lbs heavier....

David Jones · #4 12-10-2004, 05:17 AM

Danny, I think you said it best in a previous thread. "back away from the crack pipe"

Pick up this months Car and Driver.

Goathead · #5 12-12-2004, 06:38 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> HP its the same <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

But the weight is different...

Mr_GTO · #6 12-17-2004, 07:21 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by red70goat:

Take a chill pill dude. Nobody is saying that your beloved GM Monaro is not DOT compliant. And I still don't care what technology Pontiac was using on a Tempest 40 yrs. ago. (huh????? ) The fact is GM rushed this into production and I think that will only hurt, not help GMs sales regardless of your infantile assumptions as to my "ignorance". This is an opinion of mine, not an attempt to convey fact. Check out : "GMs Boss Bob Lutz on the evils of Perfection" The Gweilo Diaries, January 2004. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

YOU are the troll basher in this forum, not me. I won't calm down because talking to you and others like you is like talking to a wall because you don't like to look at the facts, you like to make up opinion and pass if off as fact. Sounds exactly like Democrats actually.

We aren't talking technology from 40 years ago, keep up. We are talking about rushing a car to production. GM 40 years ago didn't have to deal with the DOT like they have to today. UNDERSTAND?

Explain to me how it is going to HURT GM sales? Please, I want to hear this on.

Right, you haven't presented ANY facts, just opinion and when your OPINIONS get shot down with FACTS, you go into denial stage.

rabon008 · #7 12-12-2004, 09:30 AM

Danny wrote: The car needed help, and the plastic did help. You, on the other hand, seem to be beyound help, but keep trying..

Umm...which one looks MORE like the GA? Oh, that's right its the '05. Soon as I get my '05 I'll park it between my '04 GA and my '04 GTO and let you guys decide...I like the '05, not for the plastic but for the power and ride feel.

The Champ · #8 12-17-2004, 09:17 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by red70goat:
regardless of your infantile assumptions as to my "ignorance". <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

They are not assumptions.

You have proven your ignorance time and time again with your posting here.

That is not just my opinion, that is a fact.

What makes matters worse, is you won't admit you are wrong when proven wrong.

Mr_GTO · #9 12-10-2004, 09:55 AM

I tried to buy one yesterday. F'ing dealers and GMCard BS.

http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11098

I COULD have gotten the car for $23K or so. I could have added all the stuff from the 05 except the engine and I could have just added heads and cam or a supercharger if I wished. But to save almost $10K would have put me in one yesterday.

red70goat · #10 12-16-2004, 06:01 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by racerboy:
I meant Goats, not 'GOtas', but you all knew that!

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
damn...nice 70!

I hope to get mine in that condition. Ya' know rb...for $550,000k you could park that Viper Tomahawk next to those Ponchos!

RandyW · #11 12-17-2004, 03:07 PM

Actually in a lot of Pontiac lit, they are refered to as Tempest LeMans.

Nickv · #12 12-17-2004, 01:35 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Goathead:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> they took a Tempest off the line <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Excuse me, it was a LeMans.....

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually the original test mule was a Tempest.

red70goat · #13 12-16-2004, 11:51 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by racerboy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> As far as the weight of the '04 versus the '05, the numbers aren't mine. They're Pontiac's. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm not taking any sides here, but manufacturers are known for, how should I say, posting very 'optimistic' data. Somebody who buys an '05 (or an '04) should take it to the scales at the local track and tell us the 'real' numbers. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

hey, sweet t/a dude.

red70goat · #14 12-10-2004, 09:25 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Goathead:
It's starting to look like a GTO, so I'm starting to like it....

damn...they baggged another one.

Trace · #15 12-16-2004, 11:16 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by red70goat:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Rabon:

.."When someone searches my VINs years from now they will see that they are GTOs...just like yours...the '04s and '05s are already "in the books"... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Rab, I don't think anybody is disputing the fact since GM owns the marketing rights to "Pontiac GTO" that these cars in the manufacturing sense are GTOs. Given the lack of product developement, marketing, GTO identity and overall negative reaction a precedent may have very well been set for a 2nd demise of the GTO. GM had a real opportunity with the GTO to be the leader in a renewed musclecar movement and they blew it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ha, red, just how much "product development" went into the early GTO's?? Fercrissakes, man, they took a Tempest off the line, crammed the bigger engine under the hood, probably firmed up a bolt here & a weld there, stiffer shocks, a GTO tag & voila, you've got yourself the original Goats. You keep acting like the GTO's were clean-sheet designs, unique platforms like the 'Vette. Come out in the sunlight man & view reality. I like the ol' GTO's bout as much as anyone, but facts is facts! The present GTO is light-years beyond anything thats worn the badge before, the fact that the skin over the top hasn't lit the fires of a lot of lookers is easily overcome, either by getting people to drive one (a drive makes the car look oh so much better) or pump up the boy-racer looks ala the 'Stang by altering the sheetmetal/plastic cosmetics. In the meantime I'll continue to enjoy the best car I've ever owned & enjoy the looks that personally love!

Goathead · #16 12-10-2004, 11:39 AM

Hey, at least it has "true duals" and lost the Ja Lo rear end look...

Goathead · #17 12-17-2004, 09:27 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> they took a Tempest off the line <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Excuse me, it was a LeMans.....

rabon008 · #18 12-12-2004, 09:32 AM

btw: no, I haven't driven the '05 yet but it has 400 hp and I know how the '04 rides and except for the plastic and HP its the same car.

rabon008 · #19 12-12-2004, 07:04 PM

yep, 40 pounds or so lighter, same as the Autocross option on the '04.

red70goat · #20 12-10-2004, 01:41 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by David Jones:
Pick up this months Car and Driver. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I hope the folks at Beavis and LutzHead Inc are taking notes from the C6 boys: If you're going to redesign an icon: Hire some serious designers, spend 4 yrs. in the making, don't abandon a loyal customer base and your car just may make it on every major automotive magazine cover and Top 10 since inception of said redesign.