[johnta1]

Mike,why not ask the reps to go to Norwalk and other Pontiac events to see how many Pontiacs are there?

If you go to a race with rules setup for mostly chevy or ford,that's what you'll likely find.

[Mike Davis]

John I would ask the reps to go but I feel it should be the promoters responsibility. They could give the manufacturers free display area and everyone could feed off it- The more aftermarket parts available for that make, the more racers there will be showing up for the race. Every other make that has a race-IE Fun Ford, Super Chevy have a loaded manufactures midway with everyone from E-brock to MSD. Let's face it who wants to look at 30 year old worn out junk? Years ago it was neat to look at the swap meet area but in the past 2 years the quality and quantity wasn't there. People are scrapping the bottom of the barrel to find stuff to sell-and MOST of what was there wasn't worth looking at. Time for some new parts to be produced and the only way to get them produced is to show these guys we are serious by the numbers! As all the factory performance stuff has been used up and the very few after market pieces are all on cars we are extinguishing ourselves. How many people on this board go to swap meets hoping to find the "holy grail" part they have been looking for to go home empty handed-there might have been 3 after market intakes at Norwalk last year and they were all over priced. To have more fast cars we need more parts that are reasonably priced. Best thing to do is just put together some junk - blow it up in front of these reps and then say if I had a new forged crank I could be competitive

[GTOGEORGE]

Talk about Hi-Jacking! So much for the Quickest Pontiac's in 2004.

[Mike Davis]

George- you are right I did hijack the thread and my apologies to Rob- but we do need more manufacturer participation to see more than just a handful of fast cars.

[GTOGEORGE]

Mike,
You know it's always going to be a Ford & Chevy thing.....it's too bad.

[Rob]

Well Barring that someone found a dry place to run today or my errors. Here is the updated with 2004 results list of fastest Pontiacs ever:

1....Rodney Butler .................1965 [email protected]
2....Arnie Beswick .................1971 [email protected]
3....Marty Palbykin ................1970 GTO...............6.95@190s
4....John Welter/R. Butler .......2002 [email protected]
5....Mark Kauffman ................1997 [email protected]
6....Bill Mellott .....................1997 [email protected]
7....Bill Kreech ....................1999 [email protected]
8....Mike Cooper ..................1963 Tempest........7.30@193
9....Paul Spotts ..................FED....................7.354@184 .47
10... Jeff Kauffman ..............RED....................7.49@175
11... Steve Barcek ...............FED..................7.50@189
12... Dan Sweeney ...............1999 Bird............7.50@180
13... Todd Fontana ...............RED..................7.58@174
14... David Butler ................1996 Bird............7.60@178
15... Scott Rex ...................1997 [email protected]
16... Jim Yanoski .................2000 [email protected]
17... Todd Filson [email protected]
18... Mike Garblik, Eric L........Grocery [email protected]
19... Jim Brady ...................RED...................7.87@170
20... Larry Anderson .............1986 Bird?...........7.90@180
21... Jack Gaydosh ...............2000 Bird............7.94@172?
22... Mark Pickett ...............1997 [email protected]

Shane Molinari 1968 GTO [email protected]
Bruce Maichle 1979 Bird 8.50@159?

If anybody has adjustments just post them

Check it out Advanced ET for top ten of all time!!

-Rob

[Mo]

Mike, any chance of a Pontiac competing in PRO Mod. Looks like NHRA is allowing TURBO powered cars in the field next year. I don't know much about the class but I think if a Pontiac powered car even qualified someone would notice.

Rob, How many of the top 10 Fastest Pontiacs are N/A?

[johnta1]

Or no power adder?

Paul Spott's probably and Jeff Kauffman.
Duh!
Forgot Paul had a blower.

[Rob]

Rules will dictate if Pontiacs can run, but in power-added classes the power-adder makes things more equal. It may be possible.

As far as the list, well it goes like this

1 Turbo
2 Supercharged
3 Turbo
4 Turbo
5 Supercharged
6 Supercharged
7 Supercharged
8 Supercharged
9 Supercharged
10 On Motor
11 Supercharged
12 NO2
13 NA
14 NO2
15 NA
16 NO2
17 NA
18 NO2
19 NA
20 NO2?
21 NA
22 NA

-Rob

[Mo]

Thanks Rob, I thought Scott Rex was still the Fastest N/A door car .

[gearbanger]

I thought Marty P. had switched to a BBC?

[Rob]

Yep, Scott's #1

My list has some semi confirmed stuff, like Marty emailed my last year and said the 6.95 was with the Pontiac engine. I update whenever I get my hands on real timeslips. So anything with four digit ETs (like Scott's 7.682) is directly from the track timeslip.

-Rob

[Wade Congdon]

Rob,

You should probably rename your list Quickest rather than Fastest based on your order by ET rather than MPH. Nevertheless it is quite an impressive list, thanks for compling it!

[Rob]

Good Point! Hey you need to make a fasest RAV list!

-Rob

[Paul Spotts]

Nice job Rob

Of the top 10 - Marty and myself have/had factory blocks and heads - both D-ports I also used a cast crankshaft - I forget if Marty used a billet or forging) But no more cast for me - going billet with bigger stroke

[Tom Vaught]

I would say that was pretty good that Marty finished number 3 considering he was running a
factory block, a forged 3.75 crank, and did not have current technology turbos.

Anyway you look at it the cars/engines have stepped up this year.

Good job! Guys!

I thought one of Welter's/Rodney's passes was a 6.92 Rob?

It was not on the same pass as the 209 I believe.

Tom V.

[Rob]

Yes I think you're right about one of John's runs being quicker, probably the sand trap one I missed. I'll have to call John and see if he has the timeslips handy.

I remember the 6.975 run well because it was just after Mark Kauffman ran 6.995. Rodney left & looked fast, went through the traps and the numbers lit up. You and Travis turned to John and said "there's your six second pass"! I looked at y'all and said "real good mph too". You both turned back to the scoreboard and seen the even more exciting number!

That was a huge day at Norwak.

-Rob

[Ray Cox]

Paul why dont we drop my motor in your car and see how far down the list we can move

[GTOGEORGE]

Because it would run slower then the engine he has in it already!!!!

Of course that would be a step in the right direction.

[Banditone]

On the box for the 71 BOSS BIRD FUNNY CAR diecast -RAM AIR V heads-it stated ARNIE dipped into the 6.80's .