[Brian Baker]

This SUCKS! Hey, it's ok if you want to go BBC, Paul. Nobody is busting your balls about it (at least I'm not). But fer Chris' sake man, don't insult us by referring to us as "fools" (and that goes for you too 6567GTO), after all, you ran the Pontiacs just the same. I still thought of you as a Pontiac person, just one that wanted to go faster for cheaper (or faster for the same dough), but after this last comment I now wonder?

Jack, glad to see you make it to the board. Your brother finish back-halving that street Firebird yet?

[6567GTO]

I'm not calling anybody a fool. I was just playing with Rash - that's all. I love Pontiacs and that's it.

[Brian Baker]

OK, OK. No harm, no foul.

[MitchGM]

Paul... Does this mean your canceling your membership to the Loyal Order of Moose? [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

[This message has been edited by MitchGM (edited 05-26-2001).]

[Rashionality]

Baker...i was just foolin around...you should know me by now.

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[Richard Ohran]

Mitch, Loyal Order of Moose??? Missed that one completely. Care to explain?

Paul, There is an old saying I have heard for years. It goes "money is without creed". A similar saying might be "horsepower is without creed." At least, in my mind it is. As far as I'm concerned Pontiac horsepower is only better than Chevy horsepower if there is more of it. So whatever it takes to get you into the 9's, I'd say go for it, and I'll look forward to seeing your results posted here as well as a few wheelstand pictures. Good luck.

Richard/Vegas

[PONTIAC DUDE]

Hummmmmmmmmm.
IA block..$3495.00
Merlin block..$2995.00
$500.00 breaks the bank??????
Billet BBC crank...$2000
Billet Pontiac crank...$2000.
?????????????
Rods, Pistons and everything else in the shortblock 'IS" the same.
Heads. I guess some people need to really check what Mitchell,Reher, Musi and others are getting for a GOOD set of high flowing "Ported" Chevy heads. Let's compare Highly ported to highly ported. I know the BBC's got awesome bigger #'s.
Of course, we all know where the "Whining is my life" bumper stickers started, Hahahahahaha.
If ya want to run low 9's or high 8's in a heavy car then Pontiacs aren't for the weak hearted.
I would change to, if I ran 11's with a BIG investment. LOL.
OP's my car does run 11's................on motor........ with a big investment......Hahahahahaha.
You will hear about people leaving the Pontiac community, the same way Indians leave the reservation and the Amish leave to go see the world. LOL. I left the Chevy community to come back to Pontiacs after 20 years. I went faster too with less money. But the thrill was gone as far as heads up against another same brand. Bracket racing has changed(electronics)and felt it wasn't my cup of tea. Different rules apply to building a dependable Shortblock then with the big 3.....and it will take it's toll on many.
In Florida, Pontiacs are respected on the Street down here...there are a bunch of low 10 and 9 second Pontiacs. you just don't hear about them on this board.
Pontiacs are an inner soul deal anyway....Same with the GN's, AMC's, Olds, etc.
As long as you can only get a certain bore size in the spacing allowed and bottom end support with the parameters given....you just have to live with limited hp and dependability in that scenario. The faster you go the more time you spend tearing down and inspecting. You really think the NOS/Comp eliminator boys and Pro Mod guys running in the low 8's/high 7's go long without a tear down with Chevy engines.
Of course you can go faster cheaper with a Chevy big block.....that's never been an argument. That's a no brainer!!!!!! If bracket racing/SC racing on weekends is your game then You might want to reconsider. Or check your engine program.
I compare Pontiac racing to competing with SBC's.....Same bore and head deal. Same "BLOCK" since 1955, Not a new block like Chevy did in 1965 with the 396!!!!!!! What would the Chevy boys be doing now with the 265 if they didn't redesign there racing program???? I see the biggest engine they ended up with in the SBC was the 400 cu.in Hummmmmmmm.
Just hard to convince people outside the Pontiac community of the similarities. Hey Paul, have fun, but I'll still blow your doors in with my Pontiac Powered STREET Firebird. Hahahahaha. Same Bat time, Same Bat channel. LOL



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http://www.angelfire.com/fl4/pontiacdude428

[Rashionality]

Dude...my point is this. I can run the number with a Pontiac, I can run the number with a Chevy...I WILL break less parts with a Chevy, and that's a fact. Man, you MUST be going through a mid-life crisis or something...HAHAHAHAHAHA

[Rashionality]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PONTIAC DUDE:
Hey Paul, have fun, but I'll still blow your doors in with my Pontiac Powered STREET Firebird. Hahahahaha. Same Bat time, Same Bat channel. LOL<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh tay! I'll tell you when I am finished...lol

[Torment]

yeah small inline valves, restrictive bore, lousy cooling-I think I can see the similarities. Just gotta ram it down their throat somehow, right PDude?:}

[HANDSEL]

Hey Rash, How much do you want for the rebuildable 455/400?

[Rashionality]

Look Dude, I want to have fun racing...I don't want to have to spray 300 to 400 horsepower of nitrous to turn low 9's ONCE!

My motor makes PLENTY of horsepower to dip into the 9's IF I REMOVE THE EXHAUST...get it? If you don't just e-mail Scott Rex and ask him what is restricting my car. Fact is this...the car WENT 10.12 last year through the exhaust and it went 10.11 this year...I am just not ready to spray a car that already made over 730 horse with another 250 to get me there THROUGH THE MUFFLERS AND THROUGH TAILPIPES TOO


FACT #2...nitrous will blow up any motor and melt any piston Zeek...(I never said what you were insinuating in another post on this board)...I did say that I will break less parts with a Chevy than a Pontiac...hey Jimmy, throw a 500 horse fogger on your motor (when it's finally together again) and let's see how long your crank lasts...now do the same to a comparably assembled BBC and guess what...I'll bet you your bottom dollar that the BBC will take it...more than one time too.

FACT >>> BBC's have M U C H STRONGER CRANKS and a lighter reciprocating mass as well and can handle WAY more RPM than your motor ever could...PERIOD


I am not slamming Pontiacs now and I really can't wait to see Scott hit the 7's with that 90 of his and I would love to see the Dude get that Funny Car fixed. I will still be coming to these events, whether I race or not, whether I have a Pontiac or not. When I start seeing used IA blocks and Superchiefs on the market...I'll probably be back, but for right now I am changing.

Back to another subject...You know what Jim, you say that my car can't run 9's...why don't you come down to Atco this Friday and find out for yourself exactly how slow it is while I give her the final run before the motor and trans is removed and sold...you can sit next to the buyer and talk him out of it...



[This message has been edited by Rashionality (edited 05-29-2001).]

[Brian Baker]

No harm, no foul, Paul. Hey, if you sell the car before Maple Grove and don't have a racer ready yet, I'll be more than happy to allow you the use of my pit space to set-up your BBQ. I'll supply all the beer, softdrinks, plates, napkins, and utensils, you bring the rest (LOL). We can even bring Berkheimer's dog, Arnie, over to keep any unfriendly's away from the food, and to piss on Misus' leg when he comes over.

[Bud Lyons]

Hey, I got a 130# Rotty we can use if Berkys pup can't make it.

[Rashionality]

I'll be at the Grove. The motor and trans is most likely sold, just have to give the guy an exhibition of what it can do Friday night. I am still going to use a Pontiac body, but with the kind of power I am looking into my back halved car is just not good enough. It is basically a tubbed street car and I need at least a Pro-Stock back end.

[PONTIAC DUDE]

OK, here we go. For the record:
My Street 428 cu.in. T/A has made 300 or more mid 9 second passes with a conservative Nitrous tuneup and weighing over 3600lbs!!!!!. I haven't hurt an Engine with Nitrous since 95. No hurt parts. But times are changing and more people are flying, so it's time to step it up. This was a new engine (Same configuration and only a new rotating assembly)at Butlers with 40 low 9 second passes testing down here in Fla with the same conservative tuneup. I wasn't watching the tuneup and went to a second stage and didn't add enough retard into the hp level I applied in the second stage. I Had "ED" covered with a single stage but as a competitive racer, I was looking for the KILL button. Isn't that what every racer tries to do??? I see a lot of breakage, but if you personally ask them what happened, I think you will find it wasn't the parts but other factors involved. BTW: I guess you, Paul, don't follow NMCA/NSCA or Pro Mod racing as there is a lot of breakage with NOS and Blowers. You said you break a lot of parts????????? that's why your changing, hummmmmmm. Then your selling the car because your deal with Scott said you wouldn't put a Chevy in it, then now you are if you sell the parts. It's still a tank. Then you were going to run in the 8's last fall on NOS, now it's too hard on parts. Then you can run 9's on motor but your selling it before you do? I didn't know you were breaking parts on a regular basis. Scott broke a "USED" and out dated rocker assembly at Norwalk, not a PONTIAC related piece!!!!!! These rods breaking aren't PONTIAC pieces, there CHEVY conversions, hummmmmmmm!!!!! Yes there is a weakness and it's the stock block and crank. When trying to break that 8 second barrier. Change these "2"...."TWO"... pieces and I think you will have a liveable combination that will go fast. I have been building and racing all kinds of brands for over 30 years and have seen them ALL break. The quality of parts in just the last 5 years alone have dropped the grenading #'s in half. You are new to this sport and thus don't know the total picture. There was a time when Pontiacs running in the low 10's broke on a regular basis. Hummmmm, times have changed. I can remember back in the 80's of Chevies breaking on a regular basis trying for the 8's. Sorry to hear anyone leave the Pontiac Racing community, but " A mans gotta due, what a mans gotta due." But unless you further educate yourself, Your Man, Scott Rex can't be there and hold your hand all the time if you race, Hahahahahha. Your still gonna break parts with a Chevy trying to run consistent 8's for a full season on one engine in that heavy a car. Period.
In closing: Paul, Race hard and have fun......And I'll wait for you at the other end of the 1/4 mile to say Good race, Hahahahahaha. Later, dude.

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http://www.angelfire.com/fl4/pontiacdude428

[Rashionality]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PONTIAC DUDE:
I guess you, Paul, don't follow NMCA/NSCA or Pro Mod racing as there is a lot of breakage with NOS and Blowers. You said you break a lot of parts????????? that's why your changing, hummmmmmm.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No I don’t follow the NMCA, but that does not mean I don’t know about parts breaking. The point is I can make the same power I am now for a lot less money. I can make a lot more power with the same investment. I can have a relatively mild BBC that will run in the high 9’s and live much longer than my 455…then SPRAY it into the 8’s with a minimal amount of nitrous.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PONTIAC DUDE:
Then your selling the car because your deal with Scott said you wouldn't put a Chevy in it, then now you are if you sell the parts. It's still a tank.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am selling my car TO BUY A LIGHTER RACE CAR, it has nothing to do with the deal I made with Scott, and it is my car you know. I am guessing that the motor and transmission will be the first to go. The body WILL sell in my area just because it is tubbed

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PONTIAC DUDE:
Then you were going to run in the 8's last fall on NOS, now it's too hard on parts. Then you can run 9's on motor but your selling it before you do? I didn't know you were breaking parts on a regular basis.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Last year, yes, I did say I would get it in the 8’s…with my IA Block Dude, the current motor was just for street fun originally. The IA block was sold to Scott Rex last year, as I was not going to dump 20 grand to build it without a decent set of heads to put on it. I have not broken a single thing in this motor…yet.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PONTIAC DUDE:
Yes there is a weakness and it's the stock block and crank. When trying to break that 8 second barrier. Change these "2"...."TWO"... pieces and I think you will have a liveable combination that will go fast.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The weakness in the block and crank is very true and I have learned that these IA blocks require A LOT of machine work to even use. Thankfully it was after I sold mine. I will not have to wait 4-6 months for a decent crank and block either if I use Chevy, they are on the shelf in mass quantities.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PONTIAC DUDE:
But unless you further educate yourself, Your Man, Scott Rex can't be there and hold your hand all the time if you race, Hahahahahha. Your still gonna break parts with a Chevy trying to run consistent 8's for a full season on one engine in that heavy a car. Period.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

As far as needing Scott to hold my hand while I race…I would like to know where you got that info from Dude. Actually the fastest time I went and the best day I had last season I was alone. Scott has done a lot for me and showed me many things...he is not sitting next to me in the car when I race though. I think that you jumped to some conclusions Dude, I am not looking for a car to run 8’s every weekend, all weekend.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PONTIAC DUDE:
In closing: Paul, Race hard and have fun......And I'll wait for you at the other end of the 1/4 mile to say Good race, Hahahahahaha. Later, dude.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You truly are a riot Dude…good luck with everything and make sure you come to Norwalk hungry.



[This message has been edited by Rashionality (edited 05-30-2001).]

[Jim Zeek]

I guess you'll be next on the hit list Dude. Good post.

[Scott Rex]

Paul, I WILL sit in the car and race with you if you keep those ribs and bacon wrapped shrimp coming at the track. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]
And for the record Paul HAS NOT broken any engine parts. He broke transmissions, U joints, drive shaft, blew out an oil filter or 2, got dirt stuck in the carb floats, just plain had a run of bad luck, but the engine has never hurt itself even shifting it at 7000 RPM. Paul's car will run mid 9's all day, he just needs a little more seat time. I don't know about the rest of you guys but I certainly didn't learn to drag race in a 9 second car.

[Rashionality]

Thank you Scott, and no Jim, Ken is not on my hit list. You see he ribs me, yes, but not while I am trying to sell something. You see it is the fact that I thought we were friends Jim, that's it, that is what pi$$ed me off. If that statement came from somebody I never met then it would have been handled differently. You should have been a little more astute with your posting that's all.