[MrPushrod]

Started a project on sunday. My friend (67whitetrashbird)
has a 67 bird with alot of potential that we are going to
do a budget build street/strip car. His friend has a 98 dodge
viper and doesn't believe
that we can build this car on a budget to beat the Viper. I know what
potential a lightweight car has with a decent Pontiac and a little
squeezy squeeze on it. Here's the plan, build his car with my old
parts laying around the garage, 670 heads ($300 port job), th400 trans,
good cam, converter, BOP 10 bolt, and tires. We're going to take both
cars to the track and spank this 100,000 turd, maybe we'll move on
to street bikes after that . Here is how we got started over the weekend.
The beginning

The pull

Almost out

Lost a few pounds

WTF? weird lookin tranny and converter

Bird bath

[455_regal]

I love the idea...whipping up on the new stuff with technology from the 70's.

[MrPushrod]

Originally Posted by 455_regal

I love the idea...whipping up on the new stuff with technology from the 70's.

I've beat a couple of $100,000+ cars on the street, they look
really mad after that. haha. Especially the Lamborgini and ferrari guys.

[71 Ventura II]

That looks alot like the Chevy "Vega" converters we use to race with. I had one in a 79 Malibu that would footbrake to 2800 rpm! The car ran 11.80-11.90's I had a friend who ran one in a 1964 Chevy II running 6.90-7.10 1/8th mile times with one! All we did was cut off the heat shield and sometimes had to drill the flexplate. Since the Vegas were small motor cars when you put the converter behind a V8 it would really stall! Just an FYI JD

[455_regal]

Last weekend a new GTO and Ford lightning truck came to town, I raced both, the GTO I took by 5 cars, the Ford..he gave up just when I hit 2nd and started shooting away like a rocket (455+3.23 gears) I know these are maybe 13 sec vehicles, but my station wagon looks bone stock, stock hood, bench seat, not even a tach and 14" rally rims.

[MrPushrod]

Originally Posted by 455_regal

Last weekend a new GTO and Ford lightning truck came to town, I raced both, the GTO I took by 5 cars, the Ford..he gave up just when I hit 2nd and started shooting away like a rocket (455+3.23 gears) I know these are maybe 13 sec vehicles, but my station wagon looks bone stock, stock hood, bench seat, not even a tach and 14" rally rims.

Put a 150 shot on it .
even better.

[69LeManster]

Low buck giant slayers, nothin better . Are you using a 400 or 455 block? what kind of internals? and subsequently, how much squeeze?

[MrPushrod]

Originally Posted by 69LeManster

Low buck giant slayers, nothin better . Are you using a 400 or 455 block? what kind of internals? and subsequently, how much squeeze?

400.......all stock with a nice cam.
100-150 shot at the most.
Should be a 12 second car no problem.

[455_regal]

I have a 125 shot, hit in in 2nd, I was figuring the GTO had something up his sleeve, but when I looked back and saw nothing in my rear mirror I just short-shifted to 3rd and rode it out.

Try and get a vid of this race, Id love to see a Viper get schooled.

[MrPushrod]

Originally Posted by 455_regal

I have a 125 shot, hit in in 2nd, I was figuring the GTO had something up his sleeve, but when I looked back and saw nothing in my rear mirror I just short-shifted to 3rd and rode it out.

Try and get a vid of this race, Id love to see a Viper get schooled.

You should be hitting the unit out of the hole.
I'll get the vid up, should race the viper by the spring or summer.
I'll post updates and build pics......should be a kick as$ project.

[quick67bird]

Good luck Mr Pushrod looks fun. I was able to whip up on quite a few cars in Reno when I lived there with my 13.32 second times when I had the 350 Pontiac in Firebird. I never did put NOS on it, but would have probably cracked the 12s with a 350 if I did.

Robert

[66bonne]

Hell yea you can kick his butt and don't stop to take names. If my big ol' Cat can take out a late model 'Vette I'm sure you can de-fang a Viper.

[MrPushrod]

Originally Posted by quick67bird

Good luck Mr Pushrod looks fun. I was able to whip up on quite a few cars in Reno when I lived there with my 13.32 second times when I had the 350 Pontiac in Firebird. I never did put NOS on it, but would have probably cracked the 12s with a 350 if I did.

Robert

What most don't realize is that a 13.32 on the street or track is fast.
Low 13's beats 90% of cars on the road.

[MrPushrod]

Originally Posted by 66bonne

Hell yea you can kick his butt and don't stop to take names. If my big ol' Cat can take out a late model 'Vette I'm sure you can de-fang a Viper.

Thanks, funny because we're going to beat his "super car" on
a budget . I've seen older vipers like this one run 13.50's all day
at our track, weak for a 450 hp car, but then again cars are rated
at sea level, not at 5500' elevation. Hopefully by the summer we'll
have the video of it all.

[71 Ventura II]

The last time I saw a Viper V10 at KCIR it ran a 12.10 ET @114 mph. I'm not claiming they all run this fast but make sure you bring enough Pontiac power to put you in the 11's to be safe! Go get um!!! JD

[MrPushrod]

Originally Posted by 71 Ventura II

The last time I saw a Viper V10 at KCIR it ran a 12.10 ET @114 mph. I'm not claiming they all run this fast but make sure you bring enough Pontiac power to put you in the 11's to be safe! Go get um!!! JD

We're racing an older viper, 1998. I've been to the local track and saw one go 13.50's
all day long, pretty sad. Plus, the guy we're racing doesn't know
how to launch the car.......it's on street tires as well. Should be a turd,
happy to take his $$$$$$. .
This little budget injun should be a killer.
A 12 second car at our altitude is fast, on a hot day at the track the altitude
is 7000' sometimes .

[ponjohn]

Im sure you can beat a viper in a straight line.

[Skip Fix]

Guys I love my Pontiacs but a Viper just looks alot badder, especially a coupe.

Last time I was at San Antonio the Viper club had rented the track before test and tune. There was one running 9.70s on spray! I tried to get him to spot my poor smogger 78 TA a few seconds but he wouldn't.

[MrPushrod]

Originally Posted by Skip Fix

Guys I love my Pontiacs but a Viper just looks alot badder, especially a coupe.

Last time I was at San Antonio the Viper club had rented the track before test and tune. There was one running 9.70s on spray! I tried to get him to spot my poor smogger 78 TA a few seconds but he wouldn't.

I think my firebird doing a wheelie looks badder than any viper.

He wouldn't give your old car space??? He was prob. scared. haha.

A friend of mine wooped a few vipers together on the street with
his LT1 trans am with a 150 shot.....Man were they pissed.

[10second70GP]

Originally Posted by 66bonne

Hell yea you can kick his butt and don't stop to take names. If my big ol' Cat can take out a late model 'Vette I'm sure you can de-fang a Viper.

Love your 65 cat 66 bonne on of my favorite year pontiacs.