[Daves67GTO]

Does anyone know what the following codes are because I sure don't.


CC 5067 S-19 (no price) Code is 9D and nothing in the Amount.
HD LOCK PKG. ( 24.95 ) Code is MIS and the Amount is 20.97


Thanks

[70ra455]

Could the HD Lock Pkg be the hood release that is done from inside the vehicle with the pull lever?

There is an RPO code 9D9 that stands for Inside Rearview Mirror Delete.

[70ra455]

Hence no price for the mirror delete? Just a guess here.

[Daves67GTO]

70ra455:

I think 9D and MIS were generic codes. I read a post about memo cars and the memo was coded a 9D. As for MIS, I think it may mean miscellaneous but I'm not sure.

What is "CC 5067 S-19"?

I think you are right about the HD LOCK PKG being a remote hood release. That has to be rare I would think.

[SWEETJUDGE]

REARVIEW MIRRO DELETE??????? i dont know it all but never heard of it. It wouldnt be DOT safe no?

[70ra455]

Yeah ... SWEET .... I went to some site for GM RPO codes and couldn't believe my eyes when I saw that one! I'm sure there's a good reason for it but I'm certainly not aware of it.

[70ra455]

DAVESGTO - What is a memo car? I've heard that term on this board but I'm not familiar with it.

[north]

The CC is a company car, meaning it was being used by a Pontiac employee or for other company purposes.

For the "HD lock" it is probably for hood pins, what model year is the car? I have never seen it as a factory installed option. The RPO code is a hint that it was not really an RPO: "MIS" probably means miscellaneous.

since it was a company car there is no dealer involved so perhaps they billed on the PHS for what would normally be a dealer addition. Especially since they call it a package which usually refers to an accessory package.

[John V.]

Ditto north, CC identifies a "Company Car". You will probably notice that the "Date Shipped" was several months after the car was produced. The "Date Shipped" would indicate the date that the car was sold to the Dealer but it would have been in use for several months prior to then either as a Zone Pool car or PMD/GM Corp. executive car. I'm not entirely certain, but I think if the car was still under warranty with low miles, the car was sold to the Dealer as an untitled "new" car, full warranty allowed to the 1st retail customer. I've also seen these cars "auctioned" to the Dealer at a significant discount, presumably to be sold as a "used" car. My guess is that the auction cars no longer included any factory warranty.

I'm assuming this is a '70, not sure if it matters.

The Hood Retainers was a Dealer Accessory Package. According to the '70 Price List, it retailed for $14.95.

The cable operated underdash Hood Lock was also a Dealer Accessory Package. It retailed for $9.95.

Neither was available as a factory option.

The total of these (2) Accessory Packages would be $24.90. Perhaps that Company Car was accessorized with both Packages and when Pontiac then sold it, the Dealer Invoice reflected the added options. Or perhaps it only got the Hood Lock Accessory Package and the difference between the Package price and $24.90 reflects the labor cost for installation of the Package. I think the latter is most likely.

Since Pontiac still owned the car when the Accessory Package(s) was added, I suppose you could consider it "factory", since it is documented by the original Dealer Invoice. But it was certainly not factory built with any Dealer Accessory Package.

A MEMO car is a car which required special instructions and approvals to build the car according to customer specifications. As best I understand, it worked like this; if a customer wanted the Judge option but requested that the Stripes be omitted, the request was made as a Special Instruction on the Order. When the order was received by the Pontiac Sales Dept., they considered the Special request. If it was acceptable, a numbered MEMO was issued indicating approval of the specific build variance. When the Build Order was released to production, a notation was shown on the Build Order, stating the MEMO No. and a brief description of the special request such as "Build Less Stripes".

The most unusual PHS record I have ever seen shows a MEMO for a '64 GTO which was specified to be built with the standard Tempest Hood.

Special requests were fairly frequent and a broad range of requests were approved ranging from the unusual to the mundane, each with a numbered MEMO generated. Too bad Pontiac didn't keep copies of the MEMO's, it would be cool to thumb thru them to see what kind of oddball stuff was built.

I'm curious about what you guys are seeing as a Rearview Mirror "delete". In '64, the Outside Mirror was an option, you didn't get one unless you ordered either the manual or remote outside mirror.

But the Inside "rearview" Mirror was always standard equipment, I'm not aware that you could delete it under any circumstance. It is possible that GM did/does have a Process and Option Code (referred to as UPC's way back when) for a Rearview Mirror Delete for vehicles like commercial "box" truck chassis's which might get built with no rear window, making a rearview mirror unnecessary. But my bet is, rearview mirrors have been mandatory in passenger cars for a long time and not deletable.

[north]

Overseas cars (other than Canada or USA) could delete many standard american features. I have a PHS type invoice for a car sent overseas that has lap and shoulder belt delete codes (two seperate items) resulting in a total credit of 17.50 wholesale, the charge for a speedo in KM was pricey at .12 (wholesale).

But I think by 69 mirrors were no longer deletable. the assembly manuals have a master list of all possible RPO codes including the weird stuff and even if you can't get the right year manual a close one can still answer most questions

By the way in overseas cases Pontiac sold the car to GM overseas operations at about 10% below what it charges it's dealers for the same car and options.

[70ra455]

Hey John V! You're being hollered for on the CP board ... but I'm glad you're here. I don't believe anyone knows as much about this stuff as you do and it would be my "honor" to get one that you don't know someday!

Here is the Mirror I/S, R/V, Deletion code link

http://www.angelfire.com/ny2/96transam/rpocodes.html

Thanks for the explanation of Memo car. That was easy enough to understand. Cool info on the GTO HOOD DELETE for that '64. I heard once in a magazine from an original owner of a '65 Vette (I believe it was '65) and she ordered the car with a 6 cylinder engine! I would think that was a SPECIAL ORDER! She still has the car I believe.

[north]

The listing you refer to is for 90's chevrolets, I do not think it aplies much to GTO era A bodies. probably for cab and chassis trucks

[Geeto Tiger]

these options are kinda weird: (from the GM RPO website)
8Z1 : ENGINE, DELETE
8Z2 : TRANSMISSION, DELETE

[Daves67GTO]

Thanks for all the help guys. PHS says it was a Pontiac Motor Division Factory Co Car. The car does have a cable hood release but no hood pins. There is also an OPT code on the PHS as well.

John V., thank you for explaining what "memo" cars are. That makes a lot of sense.

So what do the numbers mean after CC? Thanks again for all the help.

[70ra455]

Hey I was one out of two! Not bad. Babe Ruth would be jealous!

[Daves67GTO]

The "Babe" would be proud!

[Evil Stu]

Just a guess but cars used in movies, television, commercials, etc, if used for through the windshield close-ups, have no rearview mirrors. Do you know what 'special use' this car what put to prior tp retail?

Stu

[John V.]

Awhile back, a '70 Judge was on ebay with two PHS Invoice records, one issued when the car was put into service as a PMD Co. Car, the other when it was sold to the Dealer. I assume the original invoice was a paperwork accounting, no money actually changed hands except on the Corp. books. Then there was the Dealer Invoice which reflected the actual price it sold at to the Dealer several months later.

The 1st Invoice shows "30%" followed by a price in the box just to the left of the SUGGESTED RETAIL PRICE box. It is not clear what the 30% represents or where the price amount in that box comes from. There is no Destination charge or Hold Back amount, but the total F.D.H (factory to dealer holdback incentive?) amount is shown along with the usual Total of Car & Option cost plus Dest. plus F.D.H. plus any zone advertising fee (none in this case). But that total does not equal the amount shown after the 30%.

The 2nd Invoice shows "5 PCT. CAR" at the bottom of the list of options. An SRP amount is listed, the Sales Code is "OPT" and then the cost amount is listed. It isn't clear how these dollar amounts were figured, the cost is a much smaller percentage than the typical nominal 70-75% of SRP used for everything else. And no F.D.H. is added for this line item.

The option cost and F.D.H. amounts are unchanged from the 1st Invoice but the Dealer Cost of the car itself is reduced by over $450 (but the F.D.H. for the car remains the same) and that is reflected in the total car & option cost which is reduced by the same amount.

The 2nd Invoice adds a Destination amount.

What is weird, if you take the Car & Option Cost amount from the 2nd Invoice, add the unchanged F.D.H., add the SRP amount shown for the "OPT", the total is identical to the amount shown on the 1st Invoice after the 30%.

It isn't very clear what the final dealer invoice amount was. The Invoice amount shown on the 2nd Invoice includes a Dest. charge but does not account for the OPT charge listed on it. The dollar amount listed after 30% on the 1st Invoice is about $100 higher the the 2nd Invoice amount and accounts for the OPT charge from the 2nd Invoice but includes no Dest. charge.

Either way, it is clear that the Dealer acquired the car at a discount even though he could sell it as a "new" car with full warranty. Whether the "OPT" code cost was added to the Dealer Invoice or maybe was added to Pontiac's cost as an accounting manipulation so that they showed a smaller profit on the sale of the car, I have no idea.

The nos. after the CC probably just identified the car within the Pontiac co. car fleet. Probably an asset ID no. plus a Dept. identification. When the car was put into co. car service, the Dept. that had use of it probably took a hit against their budget, then when it was sold, they got a credit back to their budget.

Those Option & Process codes are kinda universal across GM and have been for decades. But that doesn't mean that every vehicle can be built with every code. The meaning of many codes remained relatively unchanged thru the years, but some codes were "recycled". It really throws some guys for a loop when they see the RAIV engine code L67 have relevance to a Chevy engine, or applied to a semi-econo motor in some later year. Or when I mention that the WS6 was nothing more than the UPC designation for the Power Assist Group option for the '70 A body (PDB, PS, and Auto. Trans). I like to gig the Chevy folks that the sacred Z28 model designation was simply derived from the internal UPC designation for the package. Not a real sexy way to select a model name. What if the GTO had been called the W62 instead? Would Ronnie and the Daytonas have sung; "Turn it on, wind it up, blow it out, W62!".