[zbuickman]

UmMMM OK you have pulled the strings IM PISSED.................. PRO ADHD/ADD? PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR BUTT. DO YOU THINK I ENJOIY LIVING WITH IT??????????????? IM GLAD YOU DONT HAVE IT AND YOU WERE ONE OF THE MISDIAGNOSED CASES. BUT IS REAL AND IT SUCKS.........I DO NOT BELIEVE IN MEDICATION BUT I HAVE TO TAKE IT. THE SIDE EFFECTS I DEAL WITH ARE SHAKES,HEART PALPATATIONS, LOSS OF SLEEP DEHYDRATION ,CONSTPATION AND ONE KNOWN SIDE EFFECT IS SUDDEN DEATH. YEAH SOUNDS LIKE FUN SIGN ME UP FOR MORE I HAVE ALSO HAD TO PUT MY SON ON IT. YEAH THAT MAKES ME FEEL GOOD.....i HAVE HIM ON THE SMALLEST DOSE POSSABLE AND WILL NOT ZOMBIFY HIM TO SATISFY THE SCHOOL. DO NOT EVER PUT ME IN THE PRO ADHD CATAGORY AGAIN. INFACT IF YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT WHY DONT YOU KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT. HOWS THAT FOR A KNEE JERK REACTION??????????????


MONTY:as poosted in post 29 do not put your child on medication unless absolutly nessicary. and for gods sake dont listen to every thing you hear. take all the sides and weigh the factors and make your own decisions

[sleepy]

Originally Posted by zbuickman

UmMMM OK you have pulled the strings IM PISSED.................. PRO ADHD/ADD? PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR BUTT. DO YOU THINK I ENJOIY LIVING WITH IT??????????????? IM GLAD YOU DONT HAVE IT AND YOU WERE ONE OF THE MISDIAGNOSED CASES. BUT IS REAL AND IT SUCKS.........I DO NOT BELIEVE IN MEDICATION BUT I HAVE TO TAKE IT. THE SIDE EFFECTS I DEAL WITH ARE SHAKES,HEART PALPATATIONS, LOSS OF SLEEP DEHYDRATION ,CONSTPATION AND ONE KNOWN SIDE EFFECT IS SUDDEN DEATH. YEAH SOUNDS LIKE FUN SIGN ME UP FOR MORE I HAVE ALSO HAD TO PUT MY SON ON IT. YEAH THAT MAKES ME FEEL GOOD.....i HAVE HIM ON THE SMALLEST DOSE POSSABLE AND WILL NOT ZOMBIFY HIM TO SATISFY THE SCHOOL. DO NOT EVER PUT ME IN THE PRO ADHD CATAGORY AGAIN. INFACT IF YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT WHY DONT YOU KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT. HOWS THAT FOR A KNEE JERK REACTION??????????????


MONTY:as poosted in post 29 do not put your child on medication unless absolutly nessicary. and for gods sake dont listen to every thing you hear. take all the sides and weigh the factors and make your own decisions

Calm down. Some people can't comperhend what they read. You can't take what they say personaly. It will drive you nuts.

[johnsma22]

Originally Posted by zbuickman

UMMMM excuse me again KNOW IT ALL go read post 29 from me. seems to me your the one with the audacity to question the validity........ could you please post what I wrote in post 29......... Please???????

First of all, please work on your reading comprehension skills. In my post I clearly stated that it WAS ME that had the audacity to question its validity.

UmMMM OK you have pulled the strings IM PISSED.................. PRO ADHD/ADD? PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR BUTT. DO YOU THINK I ENJOIY LIVING WITH IT??????????????? IM GLAD YOU DONT HAVE IT AND YOU WERE ONE OF THE MISDIAGNOSED CASES. BUT IS REAL AND IT SUCKS.........I DO NOT BELIEVE IN MEDICATION BUT I HAVE TO TAKE IT. THE SIDE EFFECTS I DEAL WITH ARE SHAKES,HEART PALPATATIONS, LOSS OF SLEEP DEHYDRATION ,CONSTPATION AND ONE KNOWN SIDE EFFECT IS SUDDEN DEATH. YEAH SOUNDS LIKE FUN SIGN ME UP FOR MORE I HAVE ALSO HAD TO PUT MY SON ON IT. YEAH THAT MAKES ME FEEL GOOD.....i HAVE HIM ON THE SMALLEST DOSE POSSABLE AND WILL NOT ZOMBIFY HIM TO SATISFY THE SCHOOL. DO NOT EVER PUT ME IN THE PRO ADHD CATAGORY AGAIN. INFACT IF YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT WHY DONT YOU KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT. HOWS THAT FOR A KNEE JERK REACTION??????????????

MONTY, if you need any more proof of how harmful these psychotropic drugs can be when taken over time then just keep coming back to this thread and read the responses I get. Someone actually said that my "data" isn't valid because I didn't raise as many children as he did????

I understand the need people have to justify their own actions. It's one of the strongest urges that man has to deal with, and overcome. I never made any of this personal. I never suggested that any one had their "heads up their butts." I'm now being told to "keep my mouth shut" because my thinking isn't in line with theirs.

[zbuickman]

Originally Posted by johnsma22

Don't believe the hype of this made up "disease". If any of us took the ADHD "test" we would ALL be diagnosed with it! Personally,


See what I mean MONTY? This is the kind of knee jerk reaction you get from the pro-ADD/ADHD crowd when someone has the audacity to question its validity. I posted my remarks in the hopes that someone would respond this way, so that you could see for yourself. No body knows your child better than you. Teaching self control and skills that focus the mind are the answers, not drugs!

Just so the poster of the above quote knows, I was diagnosed with ADD when I was a kid in the 80's. Guess what my parents did? Did they put me on drugs? NO!!! They helped me learn how to focus my mind. They taught me self control. I graduated high school with honors. I served my country in the USAF and learned a very technical trade that had a 70% wash out rate. I've started a couple of businesses and have experienced a lot of success. I'm raising a family of my own now and teaching my boys how to focus their minds. Did this "disease" just go away? Well, it certainly wasn't treated with drugs. I know first hand that its just an excuse! An excuse that I easily could have taken advantage of. Fortunately, my parents wouldn't let me.

Again pull your head out of your butt or shut up. I deal with this on a daily basis at school at home yada yada and Im sick of every body that does not have it telling me what Im doing wrong. no The "deisise" did not go away YOU NEVER HAD IT. you were obviosly misdiagnosed oh **** it your not worth it

[johnsma22]

Brent, you're unwittingly making my case every time you post. I've never taken this to a personal level, but you continue to tell me to shut up and get my head out of my a$$. I have compassion for you, Brent.

You are trying to make the argument that only people who suffer from a condition have the right, or the ability to intelligently talk about it. Maybe I was misdiagnosed. Maybe not. I don't find it easy to focus. It's something that I have trained in myself. I hope the best for you and yours, Brent.

[zbuickman]

think about it this way.....your reading my stuff going, what the hell???? correct?????? Ive got an honest case. you cant follow me but your saying that I just need to focus or my parents should have taught me to focus? what are you smoking? there are more things assoicated with it than focus. again if you dont know shut the hell up. and it pretty obvios you dont. yep you found my buttons. i cant stand dumb asses. why dont you go tell some one who has cancer that if they focus and drink milk it will go away DUH


MODS: do what you will. I really dont care on this one The DA has it coming
delete my posts if you will but not the thread

[zbuickman]

Originally Posted by johnsma22

Brent, you're unwittingly making my case every time you post. I've never taken this to a personal level, but you continue to tell me to shut up and get my head out of my a$$. I have compassion for you, Brent.

You are trying to make the argument that only people who suffer from a condition have the right, or the ability to intelligently talk about it. Maybe I was misdiagnosed. Maybe not. I don't find it easy to focus. It's something that I have trained in myself. I hope the best for you and yours, Brent.

IM saying. are you a neuroligist? if you are not you can not say its not real........I fight with people like you all the time. and most think im a piece of sh!t. the more busybody they are the worse it is. so you know your right it is a quick reaction BUT, train a dog to fight whats it going to do. again ADHD/ADD is real there other alternitives to medication, there is medication and its not always ADD. BUT to tell me that it is mine or anybody elses fault I have this or act like this total ignorance which is why you need to pull your head out of your BUTT. understand now??????

[sleepy]

This is getting out of hand. Monty only wanted information not a fight. It was about how it was diegnosed not if it is real.

[zbuickman]

Originally Posted by sleepy

This is getting out of hand. Monty only wanted information not a fight. It was about how it was diegnosed not if it is real.

good point Im done

SORRY all

[johnsma22]

Originally Posted by zbuickman

IM saying. are you a neuroligist?

If that's the standard required for this discussion then what's the point of this thread? Nobody here is qualified to offer any advice. I think MONTY has his answer. He answered it himself in his first post. He doesn't think his daughter has ADHD. End of story.

[CarFreak]

Another thing to consider that I don't think that was mentioned - sleep disorders such as Sleep Apnea.

Someone I worked with several years back had a son about 12 years old. Since he had been 7 or 8 they had struggled with behavioral problems at home & in school. At the point when I worked with the mother, the docs had tried every possible combination of ADHD meds and were to the point of him being prescribed anti-psychotics.

Finally, a new doc suggested that the kid have a "sleep test" - that had not been done previously. This involved hooking the kid up to various monitoring machines (breathing, heart rate, oxygen level, brain activity, etc) and then having him watched during the night. I guess that it was pretty much evident right away that this kid had a big problem.

Ultimately it was determined to wean the kid from his meds, have his tonsils & adenoids removed and I think also he had to use one of those breathing machines at night. I guess it was an almost miraculous improvement. The mother was so upset that this had not been discovered earlier. A key factor just like adults that suffer from Sleep Apnea is snoring. Does you daughter snore? Even if she doesn't she can still have a sleep/breathing problem. This might just be another thing to consider. Sleep tests aren't cheap but usually are covered by insurance.

My son was ADD (not ADHD). We resisted for a long time when the schools pushed for Ritalin but ultimately did use it - during school only. He's a smart kid, wasn't hyper but had a hard time concentrating and completing tasks. The best thing that we did was PUSH to get him tested under Special Ed (no not all Special Ed kids are retarded) to allow him to qualify for Tutor/Mentoring. The school never mentioned this to us - how I found out was being a PITA persistent. My son had mentioned some other kids went to a special room and got help with their homework & such. Long story but that was a great tool in communication and keeping him caught up on school work - from 7th thru 11th grade. His middle school mentor was even invited as special guest to my son's Eagle Scout induction ceremony - that's how much influence he had on helping him become a successful student.

Was his Ritalin really needed? I still don't know but we were at our wits end and were willing to try the next step. We did the "remove all possible allergen foods from his diet" and that didn't help. The meds did seem to help and we kept them at a minimum and never when he was at home. Good luck with your daughter.

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