[johnta1]

Tom, that is where you are wrong.

I have always believed that the Kauffmans were being backed into a corner over something they have no control over.
All of these internet postings have been about the Kauffmans.

I brought that Ford/Firestone subject up just for that correlation.
You and every one seem to be on Ford's side, but with this KRE subject they are on the opposite side.

As I said before, this all would probably have been over with, if not for the internet postings.

[Tom Vaught]

Quote:

"I have always believed that the Kauffmans were being backed into a corner over something they have no control over. All of these internet postings have been about the Kauffmans."

If that is the case then John, the Kauffman's should be going after the Foundry for the issues and refunding the money to all of the people who bought the bad blocks, (including Scott Roberts). Sueing a guy who is pi$$ed vs the Foundry (who you say caused the issue) seems to me to be a misguided defination of the root cause.

As far as the machining of the blocks go and those issues, they obviously have to fall on the Kauffman's shoulders. Do you agree?

Tom V.

[speedshopmike]

i think chris makes a really good point, as i know after the fact i've been guilty of it in the past - in black and white on a screen comments can come over as much harsher, meaner, etc then intended - typing's annoying to everyone, so these exchanges tend to be blunter and "harder" then real-life conversations would be...at least for me - i hate typing, like to keep it short/concise

[johnta1]

The exceptionally high damping capacity of gray cast iron is one of the most valuable qualities of this material. For this reason it is ideally suited for machine bases and supports, engine cylinder blocks and brake components. The damping capacity of gray iron is considerably greater than that of steel or other kinds of iron. This behavior is attributed to the flake graphite structure of the gray iron, along with its unique stress-strain characteristics. The relative damping capacity of several different metals is illustrated in Table 4.
Damping capacity decreases with increasing strength since the larger amount of graphite present in the lower strength irons increases the energy absorbed.

Interesting quote from that site.

Wonder what the longevity is of those real hard blocks?

[Tom Vaught]

Obviously John the Soft, Thick, Cast Iron Blocks will live a long time.
The old Flathead and the Model T engines are an example of that deal.

I would not want to use a Model T engine in a high performance application.

You pay almost $3,000 for a "high performance" block you had better get more than a block that has "high damping capacity of gray cast iron"

Tom V.

ps John, you have to look at the whole picture and not a little piece here and there when you design a good block.

[Jack Gifford]

Originally Posted by Brian Baker

Testing aluminum is different than testing iron/steel:

http://www.instron.us/wa/application...gle.com/search...

Thanks for pointing that out, and for the link.

[Brian Baker]

Originally Posted by johnta1

Wonder what the longevity is of those real hard blocks?

Apparently longer than the Spidel's.

[Pontirag]

Polar pontiac. you would buy a block from kaufmans that fits your need, would you buy a block made by Kaufman that came from them, one of their vendors or from a private party? same block same quality and fits yor needs as advertised with the same warrenty period? Would you be willing to do business and purchase a block from them under the same circumstances as "others"? And be willing to accept the same level of quality and customer service?

If you qualify your answer in any way are you willing to hold still and submit to being sued?

are you willing to continue to do business with them in a worse case senario others have experienced now that you know what you may or may not expect from them?

Essentialy its a crap shoot with no recourse.You stated where you would plant you foot based upon my simple previous question. Where you gonna plant your foot if you get treated the way others have been treated? bearing in mind the threat you made against me for asking a simple question.

what are you going to do if you experience the same level of quality and srvice others have experienced?

What more will you do if you get sued.

I open mu mouth and you threaten to plant your foot in my ass.

What are you gonna do if you yourself open your mouth and you get sued.

its interesting that the moderators allow you to be profane and threatening like others with out punishment whereas the rest of us... the retribution speakes for itself.

it reinforces that which I have already said about the irrisponsable abuse of power in the name of PY. I bet they dint know what continues to be allowed on this forum. By those who support the behavior of some vendors.

[pont406]

Originally Posted by Chris Roach

Tom, its all in fun!
Sometimes the arrogance level in these forums seems way to high and what is conveyed may com across a bit snide. I'm sure if we all had this conversation in person, we'd all conclude with laughter and hand shakes.

Skip, I already read those and they are very informative sites.

I must say, I've learned quite a bit about block composition since all this began.

455 Dave,
Since I didn't win a beer with any of my posts. I'm off to go get my own!

Chris, I doubt the guys who are out hundreds or thousands of dollars, and a whole race car in one case, think this block deal is "All in fun".

[455Dave]

Originally Posted by Pontirag

Polar pontiac.

it reinforces that which I have already said about the irrisponsable abuse of power in the name of PY. I bet they dint know what continues to be allowed on this forum. By those who support the behavior of some vendors.

Makes me wonder if Polar Pontiac will decide he wants to put his foot up my ass too since I replied to this thread. Guess if I go to Norwalk or VMP this year I'd better be on the lookout for this guy since it seems like he is the resident PY thug to beat the crap out of anyone that doesn't toe to the PY (read that as don't screw with KRE) party line. I've been in trouble for less than what this guy gets away with.

[Chris Roach]

Originally Posted by pont406

Chris, I doubt the guys who are out hundreds or thousands of dollars, and a whole race car in one case, think this block deal is "All in fun".

I was referring to the level of debate concerning the topic. I'm not, or are 98% of the posters in this subject effected by the whole deal directly. It's all personal opinions to fuel the debate or as I said earlier, "entertainment", thus "just for fun"

[Brian Baker]

Originally Posted by Pontirag

Polar pontiac. you would buy a block from kaufmans that fits your need, would you buy a block made by Kaufman that came from them, one of their vendors or from a private party? same block same quality and fits yor needs as advertised with the same warrenty period? Would you be willing to do business and purchase a block from them under the same circumstances as "others"? And be willing to accept the same level of quality and customer service?

If you qualify your answer in any way are you willing to hold still and submit to being sued?

are you willing to continue to do business with them in a worse case senario others have experienced now that you know what you may or may not expect from them?

Essentialy its a crap shoot with no recourse.You stated where you would plant you foot based upon my simple previous question. Where you gonna plant your foot if you get treated the way others have been treated? bearing in mind the threat you made against me for asking a simple question.

what are you going to do if you experience the same level of quality and srvice others have experienced?

What more will you do if you get sued.

I open mu mouth and you threaten to plant your foot in my ass.

What are you gonna do if you yourself open your mouth and you get sued.

its interesting that the moderators allow you to be profane and threatening like others with out punishment whereas the rest of us... the retribution speakes for itself.

it reinforces that which I have already said about the irrisponsable abuse of power in the name of PY. I bet they dint know what continues to be allowed on this forum. By those who support the behavior of some vendors.

You can bet your last dollar that had I made similar threatening statements in this thread that:

A.) The thread would be locked down and/or deleted.
B.) I'd be on another 30 day suspension.

One could argue the reason his statements are standing is because he is a "cheerleader" for the Ohio farmers, but, the thread is staying alive in general. Now where's my...oh, there it is

[Skip Fix]

455Dave if it doesn't take a 30 round clip it isn't worth owning! And I think my barrels that contain the charge are steel or two are SS.

Since the aftermarket and OE racing blocks are going with stonger tensile strength cast iron(I want to saythe new Boss 302 block was 40,000 and is listed as diesel strength) and not going softer I wonder why??

And other that skirting the issue by saying I don't know why other people do what they do no one has stated why if there weren't potential issues the first blocks were recalled!! Doubt they would have been if softer was better in their minds too.

[Tom Vaught]

Am I wrong in thinking that Polar Pontiac is my old Canadian friend, Mike Voycey??

Tom V.

[GTO]

Tom, you would be wrong, and it's not me either. LOL. ... Eric.

[Tom Vaught]

Thanks Guys!

Tom V.

[Polar-Pontiac]

Originally Posted by Polar-Pontiac

I would buy a MR1 block from them one that fits my needs.My foot I would plant in your ass.

I apologize to any board members. The heat of the debate and the trashing of the Kaufmans got the best of me. I am finished with this thread, and I am truly sorry. Thank you.

[Pontirag]

BS, polar-ish pontirack. The heat...the heat? with a name like polar you worry about heat? You said you were finished before. promise this time.

Too bad your finished now. I was hoping you would answer my question befor you cut and run.

Please dont leave until you answer the question about buying a turd and polishing it.

Semi gloss or full gloss? clear coat?

suck it....suck it!

OH.....OOOPPPSSS! I'm sorry too. Please dont brand me with the red A.

Lets see if I'm as safe if I offend everybody and then appologise.

Sorry everybody. no really.

Its the heat. two miles from the southern boarder so its the heat. Really(in my case) Its a dry heat but its the heat.

Sorry.

I guess I'm safe now from being excommunicated.

Where's the pea soup?

please, somebody flush the toilet

[johnta1]

Pontirag, still stirring I see.


I too tried to buy Drunk's engine when it was on epay.
He wouldn't sell it.
Isn't that against the rules?
Sounded like a scam to me.

I also posted a thread here to buy one.
Only had 1 PM I believe.
Everybody must think they are worth quite a bit to not sell them.

[pont406]

Originally Posted by johnta1

Pontirag, still stirring I see.


I too tried to buy Drunk's engine when it was on epay.
He wouldn't sell it.
Isn't that against the rules?
Sounded like a scam to me.

I also posted a thread here to buy one.
Only had 1 PM I believe.
Everybody must think they are worth quite a bit to not sell them.

John, have you seen the price of scrap metal? maybe that's why.