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05-27-2008, 04:00 PM
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KRE's claim to hp
Can I sue KRE for claiming to have the highest hp per cid head when that is not true? Seems like more false advertising to me. My single 4, cast intake 523" motor (4.350 bore x 4.400 stroke) made 1117hp, which is 2.135 hp/cid. I think my B.S. meter is pegged.
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05-27-2008, 04:18 PM
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I would sue them big time. Let's do a class action? It looks like a lack of integrity and credibility across the board. From exagerated flow numbers on their heads to not making good on porosity problems with their heads and not standing behind their butter blocks. Consumer beware.
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05-27-2008, 04:41 PM
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But what motor are they basing the claim from?
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05-27-2008, 04:59 PM
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I dunno. Never know though until you try.
Now someone could probably sue PDude for selling 700 HP engines and they're only 550 HP. 
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#5
05-27-2008, 05:05 PM
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OK Johnta1 if we're going to go into things like that area , what about heads sold as a specific cfm that don't flow that on any other bench?
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#6
05-27-2008, 05:07 PM
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Pontiac Enthusiast magazine is still taking their money. From their most recent advertisement.... "Kauffman cylinder heads are the most efficient cylinder heads in the Pontiac market!!! Highest horsepower production per cfm, combustion chambers & port sizes make our heads the most versattile for all applications."
On the same page near the bottom it features a motor, but no specific connection mentioned to that ad material. About this motor it say 1025+ HP, 540 cid, HP 400 shaft heads, MR-1 block, Dual Dominators, Vac. pump, race gas. |
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#7
05-27-2008, 05:21 PM
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People need to get a life!
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05-27-2008, 07:00 PM
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Sounds to me, the right way to settle this one is on a Dyno.
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#9
05-27-2008, 07:27 PM
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that would be great!! get all the top pontiac engine builders to build the baddest engine they can and compete against each other, NA, 541cid limit, 3000-7500 rpm range make it race gas 110oct, single 4 bbl, that would show who's really got the stuff! and who thinks they do!!!
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#10
05-27-2008, 08:07 PM
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Unfortunately, in the world we live in one is only as good as his/her last mistake.
It is refreshing to see that there are so many others in the Pontiac community who have led perfect, trouble-free and mistake-free lives. These perfect individuals generously donate their time to constantly rehash the same mistakes by others over and over and over and over.............
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#11
05-27-2008, 08:10 PM
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They all make mistakes, the good ones make them right
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D.S.R.E. Your NW Pontiac Street/Strip Engine Builder, Specializing in Cylinder Head,Intake Manifold,and Exhaust Manifold Porting services and Building the Most Efficient stock rebuilds to Hi HP Pump Gas and Race Combinations for Pontiac,Buicks,Olds,FE Fords,385 Series and HP Gen 3 and 4 LS engines! 2006 silvy Z71 4X4,383 LS 600+hp NA Shared Toy-66 Lemans 470cid by me 537hp 580tq-manifolds, 570hp 590tq-2"headers,custom cam,rpm intake, mild e-heads, Looks stock ;-} |
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#12
05-27-2008, 08:52 PM
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"They all make mistakes, the good ones make them right" Ouch! That one should draw some blood, 440GP69. (And maybe a law suit.) Careful there guy. Quote: "Can I sue KRE for claiming to have the highest hp per cid head when that is not true? Seems like more false advertising to me. My single 4, cast intake 523" motor (4.350 bore x 4.400 stroke) made 1117hp, which is 2.135 hp/cid." If you feel "Froggy", jump John. You have the data to back up your claim. Aren't you running ONE CARBURETOR???? Quote on KRE Engine: "1025+ HP, 540 cid, HP 400 shaft heads, MR-1 block, DUAL DOMINATORS," Interesting. More Power with Less Carburation. Tom V.
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#13
05-27-2008, 09:17 PM
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Well, I have the 540 KRE advertised motor to the T...just got it in my dads car over the weekend...Im not gonna say best bang for the buck but if it makes it down the track and throws a number close to what Im hoping with the horsepower the dyno sheets say...then Im a happy camper. False advertising is a pisser but maybe there comparison basis may be w a certain spec'd combo...I'm not bashing anyone but we are in this hobby for the love of our 'expensive' Pontiacs and we should be happy there's an aftermarket full of parts for our buildups. Pick or choose who you like and buy from them if you put your confidence in there product.
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05-27-2008, 10:01 PM
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well as long as we are all human we will make mistakes thats just life, it was in context of what i was responding too.
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#15
05-27-2008, 10:13 PM
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base it on horsepower per cubic inch.
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#16
05-27-2008, 10:18 PM
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Langer is making 1173 on a 523 cid engine or 2.2428 hp/cid
KRE is making 1025 on a 540 cid engine or 1.8981 hp/cid Looks like Langer has them covered and using only one carb too. Tom V.
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05-27-2008, 11:01 PM
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Well I guess I'm no match for either these guys as I only have 1.6092 HP per CI in my current motor.
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05-27-2008, 11:20 PM
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Oh Man!!!!!! you guys got this deal all out of whack. There's no limitations for the Pontiac Engine Masters Challenge except it has to be based on the original Pontiac design. No Corporate Nonsense as Steve would say. It's run whatcha brung. Well OK, a few rules: Your choice, mix and match.
Race Gas Alky Nitro N/A Injected NOs Turbo Supercharger Any factory or aftermarket Pontiac block- iron or aluminum for instance (MR, IA, Butler) Any cubic inch goes Any aftermarket Pontiac head for instance (HP's, Tigers, CV-1, Edelbrocks) No billet 1 offs
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#19
05-28-2008, 12:49 AM
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WOW I could care less about who has the most power. If you have the most money you can have anything.
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#20
05-28-2008, 05:56 AM
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Scott Rex:
517 cu in Wenzler/IA1 1075HP= 2.08 565 cu in Tiger/IA2 1170HP= 2.07 |
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