[LeighP]

I've only carried a pistol when I was on exercise in the Airforce (9mm Browning), but I've spent 20 odd years shooting all sorts of pistols in various competitions. My preference has always gone to revolvers (even though I've owned autos). The only issue I ever had with a revolver was a Ruger Vaquero that the cylinder pin would work its way out...a design fault on early guns that I cured with an aftermarket cylinder pin. Other than that, they work every time..no safety to remember to release, just a simple mechanisim not prone to problems.
I can't say the same for automatic pistols as I've had my share of stovepipes and feed problem (usually ammo the gun doesn't like) etc.
For those people who need a large capacity pistol, the autos are hard to beat.....but I've long believed that a personal defence weapon for an average citizen going about his business really doesn't need to hold 15 rounds.....Cliff's choice would be the same as mine.....maybe a .357M 5 shot, but .38SP is pretty good too.

[Bob Timmermans]

No harm done Okie.

I guess if cannabis was legal here too, I'd sleep good at night too. I just hope my Rott/boxer mix barks loud enough to wake me out of my sweet dreams.

God Bless America and our 2nd Amendment![/QUOTE]

I see where you could get that.
But I'll take a beer over that sh*t anyday.

God bless everyone.

[lawbreaker2]

Lets see breaking my front door window with a chair, I'd shoot you to even if you didn't come in, I have a shotgun next to my bed, anybody come thought that door is going out in a bodybag, My family first and THAT is all I care about. Here in ohio we have the right to shoot if you break in and I'm in the clear.

[Cliff R]

"Here in ohio we have the right to shoot if you break in and I'm in the clear."

Castle Doctrine is now law in Ohio:

A Castle Doctrine (also known as a Castle Law or a Defense of Habitation Law) is an American legal concept derived from English Common Law, which designates one's place of residence, or any place legally occupied, as a place in which one enjoys protection from illegal trespassing and violent attack. Ohio R.C. § 2901.05(C)(2), (3). It then goes on to give a person the legal right to use deadly force to defend that place (his/her "castle"), or any other innocent persons legally inside it, from violent attack or an intrusion which may lead to violent attack. Ohio R.C. §2901.05(B)(1), Ohio R.C §2901.09(B). The legal effect of the Castle Doctine is to protect the homeowner from criminal or civil suit resulting from the use of deadly force which actually results in death.

Under previous Ohio law, a property owner had to show self-defense in order to use force to defend his home, and even then was only permitted to use a reasonable amount of force necessary to provide such defense. "In order to establish self-defense, a [property owner] must show: (1) that he was not at fault for giving rise to the affray, (2) that he had a bona fide belief that he was in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that his only means of escape from danger was use of such force, and (3) that he did not violate any duty to retreat or avoid the danger."


Bottom line, the amount of force used still has to be resonable for the circumstances, as laws like these were never intended to give homeowners/property owners to right to use Deadly Force when the totality of the circumstances doesn't warrant it.

What we (residents of Ohio) are sick and tired of, is the Meth addicts, "crack heads" and other low lifes kicking down our doors and beating, robbing and just plain doing whatever they feel like it, whenever they feel like it. You start kicking down doors now, and fully expect to go out of the residence in a body bag!

Homeowners can now protect themselves and their property without the worry of legal action against them. They do NOT have to retreat, back down, or allow these low lifes to beat them nearly to death before they can take action against them.......Cliff

[Okie Goat]

Originally Posted by Cliff R

"Here in ohio we have the right to shoot if you break in and I'm in the clear."

Castle Doctrine is now law in Ohio:

A Castle Doctrine (also known as a Castle Law or a Defense of Habitation Law) is an American legal concept derived from English Common Law, which designates one's place of residence, or any place legally occupied, as a place in which one enjoys protection from illegal trespassing and violent attack. Ohio R.C. § 2901.05(C)(2), (3). It then goes on to give a person the legal right to use deadly force to defend that place (his/her "castle"), or any other innocent persons legally inside it, from violent attack or an intrusion which may lead to violent attack. Ohio R.C. §2901.05(B)(1), Ohio R.C §2901.09(B). The legal effect of the Castle Doctine is to protect the homeowner from criminal or civil suit resulting from the use of deadly force which actually results in death.

Under previous Ohio law, a property owner had to show self-defense in order to use force to defend his home, and even then was only permitted to use a reasonable amount of force necessary to provide such defense. "In order to establish self-defense, a [property owner] must show: (1) that he was not at fault for giving rise to the affray, (2) that he had a bona fide belief that he was in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that his only means of escape from danger was use of such force, and (3) that he did not violate any duty to retreat or avoid the danger."


Bottom line, the amount of force used still has to be resonable for the circumstances, as laws like these were never intended to give homeowners/property owners to right to use Deadly Force when the totality of the circumstances doesn't warrant it.

What we (residents of Ohio) are sick and tired of, is the Meth addicts, "crack heads" and other low lifes kicking down our doors and beating, robbing and just plain doing whatever they feel like it, whenever they feel like it. You start kicking down doors now, and fully expect to go out of the residence in a body bag!

Homeowners can now protect themselves and their property without the worry of legal action against them. They do NOT have to retreat, back down, or allow these low lifes to beat them nearly to death before they can take action against them.......Cliff

Cliff, We have a very similar law to the castle doctrine. We added a similar law patterned after Florida law called Stand Your Ground law. The law states you have the right to defend yourself with any force necessary, including deadly. This extends to car, street corner, friends house etc. No more retreat first and get shot in the back.
Hopefully your great state has something similar.

Car jackings and such seem to have gone down. We had a preachers son "jacked" and killed shortly before this bill was passed for his "bling wheels". Maybe if this was passed in areas such as Washingon D.C., their criminals would think twice. Sad to see our nations capital with one of the highest murder rates and some of the strictest gun control laws. Goes to show, outlaw guns and only the outlaws have them!

[Rusty]

I haven't read everyones responses, but I gotta believe the majority have the same thoughts as me. GOOD BYE dirt bag, one less P.O.S. that we have to worry about.

Rusty

[Cliff R]

I truely believe that most folks are responsible enough to know when to use Deadly Force to defend themselves, their property, and others.

Ohio and many other States have stepped up with laws to take some of the rights away from these low-lifes, and make it a better situation all the way around for those who choose to NOT be a victim of violent crime.

I also believe that Society in general has a different and much more "aggressive" attitude toward criminals. Case in point. Before 9-11, IF a guy stood up with a box cutter and said he was taking over the plane, EVERYONE would just sit there like a bunch of sheep and do NOTHING. The mind-set at that time was that the plane will land someplace, negotiations will take place, and eventually we'll get escorted off the plane with a happy ending.

Today, if anyone is stupid enough to jump up in front of the passengers and claim he's taking over the plane.....there will be folks climbing over each other to kick the piss out of him. He will be taken to the ground, beat up, hog tied and lucky to survive....IMHO.

Same thing with this home invasion crap. Folks have armed themselves, and taken on a mind-set that they are going to fight back.

In any case, it's glad to see more and more "wolves" and fewer "sheep" in modern society. Makes the population in general a lot more humble as well......Cliff