[andrewT]

Originally Posted by b-man

This is such a well-thought out and nicely presented tech thread that it deserves a 'sticky'.

Thank you for your fine contribution to the PY Street forum.

I was just about to say!

This will be a big help for me!

[shaker455]

I've spent many day's working with Lenny on his dyno including today with many different combos and it's alway a rewarding experance!

I don't think you could ask for a better Pontiac Man!

[Grand73Am]

Thanks for taking the time and effort to document your rebuild here!

It is also a reminder of something missing in the Pontiac hobby...a "how to rebuild your Pontiac" book! There are plenty of "how to rebuild" your small block and big block Chevy books out there that go into a lot of specific assembling detail, with step by step guides, with lots of clear color photos, torque values, and showing what tools to use, etc.
SA Design books always seem to be the best with their clarity of description and photos. But...Why is there no step-by-step "how to rebuild your Pontiac" book??? I've looked for one, but haven't found any like that. If there is one like that, please let me know.

Sure...you can use a factory Pontiac Service manual as a rebuilding guide. I use it alot to maintain my Pontiac engine. The Chevy has a Service manual too, but that hasn't prevented the publishing of Chevy rebuild books. A step-by-step guide with the color photos and better assembly descriptions with assembly tips included are a bit easier and clearer to use than the service manual. And the factory manual doesn't go into some common modifications and modern updates and procedures that a modern Pontiac rebuilder would desire and benefit from, which could all be covered in a rebuild book.

Jim Hand's how to build a Pontiac book has a lot of useful info, but it really isn't a step-by-step detailing of rebuilding an engine. So, I think there is still a need for such a book, as evidenced by the response of Pontiac hobbyists on this thread. I hope this encourages one of the Pontiac engine experts to publish one.

[LenCaverly]

Thanks Guys for the shameless plugs.
Len

[kyle_blake]

Curious when you say Len checked you timing, did you mean he checked the firing order and ensured where the rotor was pointing was indeed #1 cylinder? I know the rotor can be pointed in any direction as long as the firing order is followed CCW but was curious what you meant. I'm learning myself.

[Red Coupe]

Originally Posted by kyle_blake

Curious when you say Len checked you timing, did you mean he checked the firing order and ensured where the rotor was pointing was indeed #1 cylinder? I know the rotor can be pointed in any direction as long as the firing order is followed CCW but was curious what you meant. I'm learning myself.

Kyle:

There are several ways to set the timing correctly on a new motor. Karl and I followed the method given in the 1969 Pontiac service manual. On page 6.55 of the manual, figure 6 - 97 shows the correct dot to dot alignment for the timing gears (both dots are at the 12 o'clock position) to fire the number one cylinder.

If you turn to page 6E-19, figure 6E- 31 shows the distributor installed in the block and illustrates the correct location of the roter to fire the number one cylinder, assuming the dot alignment described above. If all is correct, the timing mark on the harmonic balancer should be indexed with the proper mark on the timing chain cover.

We also doublechecked other little things like making sure that the spark plug wires went to the right cylinders before attempting to fire the motor.

[goatman65]

Jim Hand's how to build a Pontiac book has a lot of useful info, but it really isn't a step-by-step detailing of rebuilding an engine. So, I think there is still a need for such a book, as evidenced by the response of Pontiac hobbyists on this thread. I hope this encourages one of the Pontiac engine experts to publish one.

Yep.

[1974formula]

Originally Posted by goatman65

Jim Hand's how to build a Pontiac book has a lot of useful info, but it really isn't a step-by-step detailing of rebuilding an engine. So, I think there is still a need for such a book, as evidenced by the response of Pontiac hobbyists on this thread. I hope this encourages one of the Pontiac engine experts to publish one.

Yep.

I think someone is working on one that posts over on Pontiac Zone ?

This is a great thread, pretty good HP numbers for basic build too, not a screamer but the power is right up there with a RA III.

[gene simmons]

Originally Posted by Grand73Am

I just went over there and found the thread about the new Pontiac engine rebuilding book being written.

That book is not a Pontiac specific book,so there is still a need for a pontiac assemblers manual.
Jims book was good,had a lot of history,but doesn't cover much on assembly techniques.

[Grand73Am]

Originally Posted by gene simmons

That book is not a Pontiac specific book,so there is still a need for a pontiac assemblers manual.
Jims book was good,had a lot of history,but doesn't cover much on assembly techniques.

It's true that the main book will be a generic engine assembly book, but if your read thru the rest of the thread over there, you'd see that there will be a Pontiac specific assembly supplement available with the book.

[bulletpruf]

Originally Posted by goatman65

Jim Hand's how to build a Pontiac book has a lot of useful info, but it really isn't a step-by-step detailing of rebuilding an engine. So, I think there is still a need for such a book, as evidenced by the response of Pontiac hobbyists on this thread. I hope this encourages one of the Pontiac engine experts to publish one.

Yep.

You need Rocky Rotella's book. Came out in 2011, I think. I just picked up a copy from Amazon.

Scott

[Grand73Am]

Thanks, that's a good reminder, but this thread is 2-1/2 years old. So, we all pretty much know about Rocky's book by now . I got mine right after it became available. And it's great!

[goatman65]

Actually I was quoting the last paragragh in Grand73Am's post.Just don't want to take credit for his post.I have Jim's book and have learned from it,and still refer to it.But it is a little more for the 'advanced' or performance builder.And yes this is a great thread.

[kyle_blake]

Thanks for the explanation, thats what I thought. I'd like to buy that book, I wonder if PY sells it? When you say harmonic balancer lines up and is correctly indexed do you mean the following:

After the 12oclock and 12 oclock tming chain is installed and #1 piston is at tdc. Timing cover is installed. Does one insert thet harmonic balancer onto end of crank using crank pulley tool and ensure to line up the "indent line" with the "0"(zero) on the Timing cover?

Your would then torque the balancer bolt on to the recommended 120 psi I believe. All things being done correctly and distributor correct is that safe to assume I got it right?

I believe the crank pulley then goes on right after that, correct?

Thanks so much... Kyle

[unclescratch]

I picked-up on an item from Nunzi Romano that I'd like to add. Before you install the timing chain, soak the timing chain at least overnight in thin enough engine oil so that all the links get lubed, you may get better break-in and longer life out of it before stretching becomes an issue.

[Red Coupe]

Originally Posted by kyle_blake

Thanks for the explanation, thats what I thought. I'd like to buy that book, I wonder if PY sells it? When you say harmonic balancer lines up and is correctly indexed do you mean the following:

After the 12oclock and 12 oclock tming chain is installed and #1 piston is at tdc. Timing cover is installed. Does one insert thet harmonic balancer onto end of crank using crank pulley tool and ensure to line up the "indent line" with the "0"(zero) on the Timing cover?

Your would then torque the balancer bolt on to the recommended 120 psi I believe. All things being done correctly and distributor correct is that safe to assume I got it right?

I believe the crank pulley then goes on right after that, correct?

Thanks so much... Kyle

Kyle --

Yes, you can buy the Pontiac service manuals through PY.

Yes, you would install the harmonic balancer onto the crank. (This is a slip fit for Pontiacs, no balancer install tool is necessary.) No lineup is necessary because the balancer is keyed to the crankshaft. The balancer attaching bolt is torqued 160 foot pounds. The crank pulley is installed next, as you state.

[Red Coupe]

I talked to my machine shop, and they are assembling a 400 this weekend. Given some of the comments/questions/suggestions posted in this thread, I'm going to try to get photos of the following operations:

Describe the machining errors that can cause rear main leaks.

Steps in degreening a cam.

Demonstrate the balancing process, (not requested, but good to know).

Rear main seal install, including use of sealants.

Oil gallery plugs and freeze plugs install.

Dip stick installation.

Measuring thrust bearing clearance.

Measuring piston to wall clearance.

If anyone has more ideas, just let me know.

[grivera]

Originally Posted by Red Coupe

I talked to my machine shop, and they are assembling a 400 this weekend. Given some of the comments/questions/suggestions posted in this thread, I'm going to try to get photos of the following operations:

Describe the machining errors that can cause rear main leaks.

Steps in degreening a cam.

Demonstrate the balancing process, (not requested, but good to know).

Rear main seal install, including use of sealants.

Oil gallery plugs and freeze plugs install.

Dip stick installation.

Measuring thrust bearing clearance.

Measuring piston to wall clearance.

If anyone has more ideas, just let me know.

Can you take pics of how to set the thrust bearing and also of how to set the timing gear on the cam nose for proper end play? Thanks again!

[LenCaverly]

There was a reference to checking piston to valve clearence , I always use clay for initial assembly because there is no way to know the radial clearance of the valve pocket by using the dial indicator method. if an engine has already been assembled and I'm installing a new cam or changing the ICL then the dial indicator method is appropiate.
Len

[Greg Reid]

Not trying to upstage anything here. This is a great thread and very informative...but for some that are looking for even more of this kind of info, HPP ran a great 3 part piece on rebuilding a Pontiac 455 a few years ago with plenty of specifics and great photos. All three are available for viewing online.
Here are the links-
Part I

Part II

Part III