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Old 11-16-2010, 06:55 PM
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Default Ring gap for a high boost engine

I've posted this here as well , in case some of you don't frequent the boost section.
I've been advised that I MAY need to run a bigger ring gap than I intended on my turbo combo so I'd like some info or advice from pro engine builders,or what others with similar turbo/blown combos are using.
My combo is a 4.090" bore,3/4 filled,reverse cooled iron block,forged pistons with .006" clearance, C16 type fuel,boost will be 25psi,projected HP around 1200.
I've always followed the ring manufacturers advice on this,in this case for a blown,gas engine, .0055" x bore size of 4.090" = .0224", I then added an extra .002" because the block is filled, I rounded this off to .025". The manufacturers recommendations for a big hit nitrous engine is .008" x bore,which would make it .03272" ring gap,plus the extra .002" for a filled block gives me .035" rounded off,and this is what I've been advised to use. Any advise appreciated,Taff.

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Old 11-16-2010, 07:38 PM
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I run .032 to .035. Even on motor never had blowby issues. Second ring at .024

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Old 11-16-2010, 08:53 PM
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Yeah, it is wiser to run a wider gap than a tighter one. Later, you can experiment by closing the gaps if you wish.
Only running .006" piston to wall? That is tight IMO. What does the manufacturer say to do? I would be worried about the skirts that tight. Run over double that number on my nitro motor. Normally run .010"-.012" on a blown gas marine set up. I've run .005" on N/A street motors with forged pistons. many think that is way too much but, the 455 lived for 181,000 miles and did not overheat.

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Old 11-16-2010, 10:24 PM
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You don't have to run as much gap on a turbo motor as a nitrous motor. Not as much heat into the top ring. Also, I like a little more gap on the second ring, but that's just me. If it were mine, I would put the top ring at 0.026", second at 0.028". Keeps pressure from building between the rings. Some engine builders don't use this strategy, but its worked well for me.

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Also, I like a little more gap on the second ring, but that's just me. If it were mine, I would put the top ring at 0.026", second at 0.028". Keeps pressure from building between the rings. Some engine builders don't use this strategy, but its worked well for me.

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I concur with Travis. I run mine .030 and .032.

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.028 top, .022 2nd on my blown roots, E85, 4.31" bore. As above nitrous motors spec more gap.

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Thanks guys. I know some ring manufacturers,but not all of them, are now recommending a bigger second ring gap,but I'm not sure on that ,I've always done it the old way and never had a problem(that I knew of). Even though I think the smaller ring gaps would be more efficient I might err on the side of caution and go for a slightly bigger top gap,just in case the engine gets really hot some time.
Steve, I normally run .004"-.0045" piston to bore clearance but BRC recommended to add .002" extra. I have previously run TRW forged pistons at .0085" without a problem, my machinist took some convincing to bore for these clearances though,he said 'the piston will be like a dick in a shirt sleeve'.

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Was he talking your dick ??????

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No,my shirt sleeve.

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...my machinist took some convincing to bore for these clearances though,he said 'the piston will be like a dick in a shirt sleeve'.
LMFAOROTF!!!!

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LOL come on Thats not that loose for a Real 25lb boost race engine!

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