[george kujanski]

I have a 11 bolt that I originally needed to "adjust" the clearance, otherwise mine would puke coolant after shut down. No more, tho.

George

[Sirrotica]

Originally Posted by rad400

I talk to Jim butler and he says there is no problem with water pump if over heating it is timing or running lean. cooling system is just coolant and air.

I believe there is a 50+ page post that has pretty convincing data to contradict Mr. Butlers theory, plus I have my own data that says adjusting the timing and carb mixtures won't stop the problem I was having with my own 428 in my own stockcar. If that was true why would Detroit have engineers whose job it is just to optimize cooling systems, sorry I don't subscribe to his theory.

[Greg Reid]

Originally Posted by george kujanski

I have a 11 bolt that I originally needed to "adjust" the clearance, otherwise mine would puke coolant after shut down. No more, tho.

George

I've got one that does the same thing after extended idle. '71 400 with 11 bolt water pump.

[arbys]

A big thank you to Dan67, GT182 and Old Goat 67 for helping me get my 66 back on the road. These three went way out of their way to help a fellow PY'er. The divider plates came from Dan on Wed. morning and the SS plate came from Gary at noon today. I put it together with the SS recontoured plate and I've got plenty of flow. Works great. I'll wait til Cadone gets the correct impellers and the return the SS to Gary and use the original plate. Thanks again.

[GT182]

Great to hear she's running. And glad to be able help out too....

[arbys]

Any word from Cordone yet on the corrected impellers?

[GT182]

Charles and I will be calling Cardone and Ames Monday morning. Other than that no word yet.

[67Dan]

Call them! 215-912-3521

[troy_barker]

I am waiting on putting my motor together to get one of these, sure hope its soon, ready to get the old GTO fired up.

[GT182]

Charles and I talked to Cardone and Ames Eng. yesterday. BTW... to make thing a bit clearer, this is not the Ames that is selling us parts in the catalog. Things are still at a stand still until Ames and Cardone talk directly to each other. We/ve identified the problem... copies of the original rear divider plate is needed in stainless steel.

I know this is frustrating as all hell, and it is for us too. We've done just about all we can, short of having the correct 8 bolt rear divider plate made ourselves. Anyone got the money to help get that going? I sure don't.

As for the correct pump, call Cardone and ask for it. Tell them it's the pump without the shaved vanes. My understanding is that they have some of these in stock that were never shaved down. But, they are mixed in with the incorrect ones. Try this number that Dan gave above.... 215-912-3000 and ask for Tech Support, or ask to speak to Product Management in Pump Division. I have no 800 number for them.

[george kujanski]

Corporate wheels turn slowly...I suggest anyone who is not driving their caryet this season waitng for Cardone.....stop waiting.

Put it together as best as you can or the season will end with your car in the garage.

I'm just cynical.

George

[GT182]

Originally Posted by george kujanski

Corporate wheels turn slowly...I suggest anyone who is not driving their caryet this season waitng for Cardone.....stop waiting.

Put it together as best as you can or the season will end with your car in the garage.

I'm just cynical.

George

No, i'd say you're telling nothing but the truth.

And as a notice to all here. An email has been sent to Cardone and Ames Engeering as a formal invitation for them to get together on this.... from Charles.

[Old Goat 67]

Well, I just sent an email to both of the contacts in both companies pleading with them to get together to rectify the situation for us.

We should start a new thread with a poll attached, so we can have numbers to give them.

We'll see what we'll see!

Charles

[Old Goat 67]

Decided to try a poll folks;

See:

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...d.php?t=669386

[gene simmons]

Is this the correct Cardone remanufactured water pump?
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/AAZ-58-299/?rtype=10 This looks to be the 68 pump.

Will i be able to get these pumps through the local Arnold motor supply,Napa and O'reillys, when available?

It doesn't look as though cardone has 69-up yet.
Summit still has the stamped steel impellers
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/AAZ-58-303/?rtype=10

[Old Goat 67]

The 58-299 is the correct pump for the 8 bolt setup from Cardone, BUT and I say BUT, most you will find have the shorter vanes which will not work good with the original plates!

IF you are LUCKY enough to get one with the vanes about 3/4" high and a curve to them, you'll probably be OK.

Having said that, I would NOT buy one mail order. I had O'Reilly's get four of them shipped to my local store and one had the correct impeller. I went with my plates in hand, so Guess which one I came home with?

End of overheating!

I do not know the part # for the 11 bolt one. Maybe someone else does.

Charles

[mike389]

i just removed this same pump due to seal leak. checked Cardone site and they make a new pump # 55-11137 !!! O'Reilly auto parts can order it under part# CP850, finished with remans with a one year limited warranty!
the vane height is 3/4" on the old pump

11 hole pumps, they have reman & new i checked year 1969
http://www.cardone.com/English/Club/...bcat/byapp.asp

mike

[mike389]

Make Model Year Product Category Product Line
Pontiac Catalina 1969 Pumps Water Pumps
Application Data Part Number
Water Pump - A1 CARDONE [Reman.]
w/3 31/32" Hub Ht.
58-302
w/4 15/32" Hub Ht. and Optional Performance Pump and w/Aluminum Housing
58-303P
w/4 15/32" Hub Ht. and Optional Performance Pump and w/Cast Iron Housing
RR AT THIS TIME
w/4 15/32" Hub Ht. and Standard Pump and w/Aluminum Housing
RR AT THIS TIME
w/4 15/32" Hub Ht. and Standard Pump and w/Cast Iron Housing
58-303
Water Pump - CARDONE Select [New]
w/3 31/32" Hub Ht.
55-11143
w/4 15/32" Hub Ht. and Standard Pump and w/Cast Iron Housing
55-11145

[Old Goat 67]

Damn good research Mike!

Thanks,

Charles

[grandville455]

What does RR at this time mean?