[JLHarper]

There is/was a Mint Turquoise Judge III HT with a Red interior....didnt we see that one on here a while back?

Two 69s Crystal Ts Judges RAIIIs listed with Black Top and Interiors.

[Guilty]

You mean this one?

http://cars-on-line.com/40491.html

[JLHarper]

Thats the one......personally I like the color, its looks better then you would imagine once hearing of the color.

Whites hard to beat though, imo.

[69GTOCrystalCollection]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

Welcome to the PY Forum Craig.
And big congrats on the groovy machine you just bought.

I posted the PHS on the New Mexico car earlier in this thread.
It was attained from the auction when it was being sold by NewMex owner on eBay.

It is the same car - made a brief stay in Colorado after leaving NewMex.
And Greg restored it for the Colorado buyer / owner.
So it did well to spend some time in Colorado (and Greg's shop).
It is now part of a nice collection in Illinois.

Just like this longtime PA car will do well to spend time in your state now (and get resto'd). I'm gonna guess you're in the Minnesota zone.

Thanks for the updated info on the New Mexico car. I live on the Kansas Side of Kansas City...

[gregsgtos2]

When can we expect to see this car finished?

[muscle_collector]

i am sure it will take him alot less time than you do to restore them. lets see, you finish them with in my opinion a 102%. poci judges give you what 95 to 98% and you get them done in 3 months. so i expect he will finish it in about 1 month and be perfect.

[Tellyshavilli]

Should go together even faster than a month if you use all original pontiac parts .Everything should fit real nice .

[The Boss]

and be easy to find!

[69GTOCrystalCollection]

Unfortunately it will be closer to a year before the restoration of the Crystal RA IV is complete. The reason is that I have a Liberty Blue Judge I'm restoring in front of it. The amazing Liberty Blue Judge will go up for sale when completed.

[Judge273]

Congrats on the CT RA IV Judge! Sounds like you like Blue Judges? Is the LB a RA IV car too?

[muscle_collector]

Originally Posted by 69GTOCrystalCollection

Unfortunately it will be closer to a year before the restoration of the Crystal RA IV is complete. The reason is that I have a Liberty Blue Judge I'm restoring in front of it. The amazing Liberty Blue Judge will go up for sale when completed.

i know it will take time, i was just giving greg some crap about how fast and how nice that his restos are done. it just amazing to me that he can accomplish it. i cant seem to get anyone anymore to want to paint a car and take less than a few years to complete it. i found out 30 years ago that i dont have the patience or talent to do paint and body work.

[69GTOCrystalCollection]

Originally Posted by Judge273

Congrats on the CT RA IV Judge! Sounds like you like Blue Judges? Is the LB a RA IV car too?

My addiction is all 69 GTO's!!! And 1970 GTO's are my second favorite, then 64's. But true addiction is Crystal Turquoise, that is the color I collect in the 69's. The other GTO's I buy and restore and sell to support my Crystal habit, lol... The other blue that I have to restore is a Winword Blue, Black Interior, standard GTO Convertible that is about 5th in line for my guys to restore and another standard LB after that.

The LB is a Ram Air III...

[JLHarper]

That LB didnt come out of SOUTH DAKOTA, did it?

[69GTOCrystalCollection]

Originally Posted by JLHarper

That LB didnt come out of SOUTH DAKOTA, did it?

No...

[bobslilgto]

How many crystal turq's with a 4 spd. bench seat GTO's and Judge's are out there?

[hendoIV]

Not enough, is one answer I like.

[north]

On my PHS collection Crystal T runs about 4% of non judge production and black notchback benches are about 3%, statistically the combination of the two gives you about 75-100 cars.

[69GTOCrystalCollection]

Originally Posted by north

On my PHS collection Crystal T runs about 4% of non judge production and black notchback benches are about 3%, statistically the combination of the two gives you about 75-100 cars.

I have a question, how do you know Crystal Turquoise runs 4% of 65,454 non-Judge production in 1969 or is that just an estimated guess? As far as I know it is not officially documented by Pontiac or anyone else.

The number of 1969 Crystal Turquoise GTO's estimated by Jim Wangers with his first hand marketing participation at Pontiac in 1969 is far less than that. We were discussing more in the estimated area of 0.25% or less of total production (72,287) or an estimated 181 or so. With less than two dozen CT's being produced as Judges. Again, these were all just experience from the day based estimates.

The bench seats are "extremely rare" as well, much more rare than the CT color. I can count on one hand all the 69 GTO's that I have seen with a bench seat in any color in the last 30 years. Fortunately for me, I own a rare 69 Crystal Turquoise Convertible with a Parchment Bench Seat...

[north]

I based my estimate on the fact that of my 500+ PHS's Crystal T is about 4% (I take out all the CR Judges from the calculation since my deck is overstacked with Judges) and that bench seats represent 5.6% of my PHS's.

If I look at only my non Judges (about 325) then the numbers are as follows;

CT: 4.5%
Bench overall: 7.5%
black bench: 4.0%

So if my half a percent sampling of non Judge GTO's is valid then there where about 120 CT black bench non Judge GTO's built in 69.

It is actually surprising how the only really rare cars color wise were the two extra cost colors (Windward and Goldenrod) and Champagne. The most popular were the greens, the other blues, red and gold.

As for bench seats running at 7-8% that seems in line with what I saw through the 70-80's in my junkyarding days. I've owned two myself over the years (one a 2bbl stripper, the other an AC car, both parchement)

For what it's worth I have a bench in my LeMans and I like it better than buckets, can get two kids in front, my girlfriend can snuggle up and the big armrest is super comfy

[north]

Sorry to the rest of ya for such a blatant detour from the thread subject!