[hurryinhoosier62]

Fraternal Order of Police. The LARGEST organization representing police officers in the U.S.. Been living in a cocoon, have you?? James Madison, (not "they") being a student of Thomas Jefferson, heartily believed in the right of the citizens to overthrow a tyranical government. The overwhelming majority of anti-firearm activists continue to state that the 2nd Amendment only applies to members of the National Guard, ignoring the fact the National Guard didn't exist until 1909. They tend to ignore the Heller decision as well.

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Originally Posted by hurryinhoosier62

Fraternal Order of Police. The LARGEST organization representing police officers in the U.S.. Been living in a cocoon, have you?? James Madison, (not "they") being a student of Thomas Jefferson, heartily believed in the right of the citizens to overthrow a tyranical government. The overwhelming majority of anti-firearm activists continue to state that the 2nd Amendment only applies to members of the National Guard, ignoring the fact the National Guard didn't exist until 1909. They tend to ignore the Heller decision as well.

And how does Madison's belief in the right of the citizenry to overthrow a tyrannical government support CCW ... or are we playing "guess how much I know about the 2nd Amendment even though it's not relevant to the topic?"

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Try not to be such an asshole, if you can. I'm supposed to understand EVERY acronym you spiel out? Ha. And gee, the FOP ... isn't that a police union, an "upper-eschelon" political organization that posts their political agendas and makes them appear as reasoned arguments? Well, I WILL look up their polls, and see if I can refute your claim as easily as I did with your Indiana vs. Wisconsin claim.

[fasteddy]

This topic is going to go bye bye if you all keep it up. Not that it would be a great loss. It is getting old now--real fast. JMO

[hurryinhoosier62]

Negative. The FOP is a FRATERNAL ORGANIZATION. I can be an FOP member; I'm not a cop. As of your stats, Indiana possess 2 MILLION more residents than Wisconsin. Your stats won't hold up. My nephew did the research for his Criminal Justice classes. Per capita, Wisconsin has MORE violent crimes than Indiana. As for your language, the Lobby is a FAMILY-ORIENTED area. I would advise you to go to the CH IF you feel the need to use profane language. The moderators would probably agree. BTW....what part of "bearing arms" don't you understand??

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Originally Posted by hurryinhoosier62

Negative. The FOP is a FRATERNAL ORGANIZATION. I can be an FOP member; I'm not a cop. As of your stats, Indiana possess 2 MILLION more residents than Wisconsin. Your stats won't hold up. My nephew did the research for his Criminal Justice classes. Per capita, Wisconsin has MORE violent crimes than Indiana. As for your language, the Lobby is a FAMILY-ORIENTED area. I would advise you to go to the CH IF you feel the need to use profane language. The moderators would probably agree. BTW....what part of "bearing arms" don't you understand??

Yes, they probably would ... like the CH, I thought it would replace certain "key" letters; I guess not.

Indiana is only about 900,000 more people than Wisconsin. And my stats are based on murders per a certain number of citizens, like "100,000". Therefore, the total population does not matter statistically. Nice try, though.

[hurryinhoosier62]

fasteddy,

I agree. I'm NOT the one using profane language, which is prohibited in the Lobby!!

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OK, I made a mistake. Don't go all self-righteous, shocked nanny on me, hoosier.

[hurryinhoosier62]

What mistake? Oh, you mean mistaking the populations of Indiana and Wisconsin? Indiana has 6.4 million verse Wisconsin at 4.7 million. That's 1.7 million the way they taught us math back in the old days. I saw my nephew's research. It was based on FBI crime stats for 2005-2007. Wisconsin had a HIGHER violent crime rate due to its smaller population and lower population density. Think about this: Wisconsin has ONE major metro area: Milwaukee. Indiana has 3: Gary/Hammond (Chicago metro), Indianapolis and
Southern Indiana (Clark,Floyd and Harrison Cos.-Louisville metro). Other than Milwaukee,
I'm pretty sure than no other area in Wisconsin has to deal with the gang problems that
Gary/Hammond, Indianapolis and S.Indiana deal with. In Joel's research, if you excluded
Gary/Hammond and Indianapolis, Indiana had a 30% lower crime rate than Wisconsin. Remember this, more people live in Floyd and Clark Cos. Indiana than live in Wisconsin north of Wausau.

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Good heavens man, give it a rest. According to the US Census Bureau, Wisconsin had a population of 5,686,986 at the end of 2010, compared to Indiana's 6,483,802. I know the US Census Bureau's got nothing on your nephew Joel, but facts, as they say, is facts!

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/55000.html

[hurryinhoosier62]

Then Wisconsin GAINED nearly a million resident from 2000 to 2010? I lived there from 2004-2007. People weren't exactly beating a path there during the "Jerk-off Jim" Doyle administration!! I'll check the 2000 population stats.

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I have no idea, I didn't count 'em! I'm going by data of the US Census Bureau, to which I've provided a link! The Milwaukee-Waukesha metro and Madison metro areas account for about 2.3 million, and factor in Green Bay/Fox Cites and the western part of the state where thousands of people who work in the Twin Cities live, I know it's up there.

Additionally, the crime stats -- also from the US Census Bureau -- are based on crimes per 100,000 people, no matter HOW LARGE THE TOTAL! In other words, Wisconsin's 100,000 are compared to Indiana's 100,000 -- all things equal, Indiana had more murders than us!

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I used to work with a guy from Indianapolis, whose dad was a Marion County detective named Mahler. He came to Wisconsin to escape the crime, grunge and insane cost-of-living of Indiana and never looked back. So yeah, I suppose it is possible Wisconsin grew in population.

[hurryinhoosier62]

Indy has turned into a hell hole,no doubt!! We noticed the cost of living in the Milwaukee-Racine-Waukesha area was about 20% HIGHER than the Louisville-S.Indiana metro area.The cost of housing and taxes weren't even comparable!!WI was WAY more expensive.BTW....Green Bay metro (3 counties) 306,241, Madison metro (12 counties)
568,593 Ft Wayne metro(4 counties) 610,015 Louisville,KY- S. Indiana metro (12 counties) 1,451,564. The Madison/Green Bay metros combined are slightly more than HALF as large as the Louisville-S. Indiana metro. I like Green Bay. Madison, on the other hand, is referred to in Milwaukee as the People's Republic of Madison. When people in a city as liberal as Milwaukee make fun of Madison, you know there has to be a problem!!

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I work in Green Bay, right downtown. Meh, it's OK, sorta ugly once you get 3 blocks from Lambeau; Appleton is nicer, which is why I choose to live there. Actually Waukesha is wayyyyy conservative ... tipped the scales in Judge Prosser's favor last year! But Madison, yes, too crunchy for even me -- the crunch being Granola.

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Too bad about Indy ... my boy and I were there for the Brickyard 400 about 5 years ago and downtown is scenic ... don't know how safe! I stopped at a liquor store not to far from the Speedway to pick up a twelver after the race and let's just say I felt a little ... uncomfortable

[hurryinhoosier62]

Stan,

I used to live on the west side (Rockville Rd area). I was about 3 miles from the Speedway. It was an OK neighborhood back in the early 90's. Today, you couldn't pay me to live there!! Same with the Castleton area. Don't go into the near westside of Indy after dark. IT'S UGLY!!! Stay downtown and you should be alright. IPD and ISP keep a lid on things there.

[hurryinhoosier62]

Waukesha conservative? NO!!!! Most of Racine Co. (especially in Wind Point and Burlington) is slightly to the right of Attila the Hun. Racine itself is so "nutjob" liberal it's starting to resemble Madison.

[hurryinhoosier62]

IF you want a REAL "thrill", go into North Milwaukee sometime. The company my wife worked for had a facility there. They(her staff) were FORBIDDEN to be there after dark. She wouldn't go there unless I went with her....ARMED!!!

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Originally Posted by hurryinhoosier62

IF you want a REAL "thrill", go into North Milwaukee sometime. The company my wife worked for had a facility there. They(her staff) were FORBIDDEN to be there after dark. She wouldn't go there unless I went with her....ARMED!!!

Oh, I've been to parts of Milwaukee I hesitate to venture into during the day, less the night. The downtown/Third Ward area, and the east side by the lake are very nice, but yeah, you get around Brown Deer and that area. Spooky.