[johnsma22]

Of course I know you're right Aron. I'll cease and desist. The last thing I want to do is unnecessarily raise the ire of someone in a position to harm Ron.

[roadrage david]

Being from europe and from a ocupied country in WW II. there where a desend groop of people who choose to be members of the german nsdap, over here known as the NSB
National Socialist Movement
. they forsake the dutch country and its people and choose to coleberate with the germans. they had no reguard for there famelies nabours frinds. and put themselfs in front of ""everybody"" up to sutch a point that they grassed on there neighbours who where housing a jew ore a person who refused to partisiopate in the german working force. these people who hide them where ecsecuted at the spot. and there kids send to consentration camps.
afther the war there NSB people got it ROUGHT, and sins then when somebody behaves in a anti sosial way disreguarding other peoples feelings ore welbeing ore anything of that sorts , we call them NSB ers!!. i cant help myself coming up with that term when i see crustysarge saying what he sais and planning on doing the stuf he sais.
It makes me litterly SICK to my stomach................

[aronhk_md]

David.......and crustysarge.......I hope we can just not pursue this in here. Personal attacks are NOT good on the forum. Personal feelings about someone are NOT going to help Ron continue.

[johnsma22]

Ron, if you're reading this, and I hope you are, keep your chin up pal! I believe in you man!!!

[grandville455]

Going after Ron legally will not help anyone here, if he has no money to ship then where will he find money to pay you back?
David since u have that set of headers maybe just donate them to crusty to make him Happy? I know that is asking alot, but if it helps everyone else keep there stuff coming then it's worth it right? Just a sugestion

[johnsma22]

Originally Posted by grandville455

Going after Ron legally will not help anyone here, if he has no money to ship then where will he find money to pay you back?
David since u have that set of headers maybe just donate them to crusty to make him Happy? I know that is asking alot, but if it helps everyone else keep there stuff coming then it's worth it right? Just a sugestion

As Aron stated so eloquently, NOTHING we can say will deter crustysarge from doing whatever he plans on doing if he's committed to doing it, even if it means that EVERYONE else has to suffer the consequences of his actions. His goal is not to help anyone here, only himself.

You can't get money out of a rock. If crusty is successful he will only get the satisfaction of doing in a "crook", but will probably not get his money back or his headers, as Ron has neither to give, even if a court orders it.

[aronhk_md]

Well, not quite true John......Ron COULD provide a set of headers. They would just be uncoated.

[johnsma22]

Originally Posted by aronhk_md

Well, not quite true John......Ron COULD provide a set of headers. They would just be uncoated.

Would crusty find that acceptable? I suspect not, correct?

[R/A V Girl]

Originally Posted by johnsma22

Would crusty find that acceptable? I suspect not, correct?

Davids set is O-port & crusty's are D-port so a swap is not an option.

[R/A V Girl]

Originally Posted by johnsma22

You can't get money out of a rock. If crusty is successful he will only get the satisfaction of doing in a "crook", but will probably not get his money back or his headers, as Ron has neither to give, even if a court orders it.

And he would have to pick them up.............. Most likely would have to post bail just to build his set which wouldn't happen. Remember we sold everything so bail? So No he probably wouldn't be any better off.

Its obviously not about getting headers or money because all the actions show they do come subject to sales or just a temporary shipping expense. THAT IS NOT LOST in the end.
So making it so that you don't receive anything & others too?

[R/A V Girl]

May be related or maybe not but there's two sets going out (janderson) Mon & Wed (76LQ9TA )that paid the shipping. Both are old orders so they will obviously be using them this summer. Then they will get a check in the mail at some point & they know it.

There's another old set that Ron is hoping to go out next Fri but might end up the Mon after. Only because he is trying to fit in a newer set from across the pond.

But even with that being said. Ron doesn't let the name calling stop him from doing what he said he would do. Even if others actions slow it down.

There was a set mailed on last Mon to a coater on the east coast that the customer picked out.

Sure looks like Ron is completing quote crusty "contracted services, a reimbursement,"

Dewayne
I looked back through the records & yes you will get an email when yours are ready to ship. You still owe the shipping so that's not a concern at the moment & makes it easier.

crusty
Ron worked until 2:45am so his COD is very different that yours.

[77TA]

Thanks RA5 Girl. I have a an event in May that I really would like to have a set for in time to get them coated and installed.
Let me know when they are ready and I'll send the shipping payment !

[johnsma22]

Originally Posted by R/A V Girl

And he would have to pick them up.............. Most likely would have to post bail just to build his set which wouldn't happen. Remember we sold everything so bail? So No he probably wouldn't be any better off.

Its obviously not about getting headers or money because all the actions show they do come subject to sales or just a temporary shipping expense. THAT IS NOT LOST in the end.
So making it so that you don't receive anything & others too?

Deanna, please pass on to Ron that the vast majority of us believe in him and are pulling for him!!! God bless you both!

[roadrage david]

Originally Posted by grandville455

Going after Ron legally will not help anyone here, if he has no money to ship then where will he find money to pay you back?
David since u have that set of headers maybe just donate them to crusty to make him Happy? I know that is asking alot, but if it helps everyone else keep there stuff coming then it's worth it right? Just a sugestion

Im sorry me knowing wat the defenition of a NSb,er is wil never ever send headers to this guy i would hammer them to pices first..... 77ta chek your pm

[GTOWAGON]

Ron keep up the good work I love my headers and showed them to a local shop that does custom headers he sais it would have been at least 1500 to have him make a set. I will be orderring another set soon

[Craig Hendrickson]

Originally Posted by GTOWAGON

Ron keep up the good work I love my headers and showed them to a local shop that does custom headers he sais it would have been at least 1500 to have him make a set. I will be orderring another set soon

I'm glad that headers are slowing rolling out the door. $1500 headers for much less should make anyone happy, even if they have to wait for a while (years?).

FYI, H-O HR-98s (original Tri-Ys) were $119 in the late 1970s, which adjusted to present cost (CPI) would be around $450. Of course, H-O Racing had to buy 50 lots at a time to even get the interest of sub-manufacturers. This did NOT include round port or multiple chassis fitment.

[ramair3]

Originally Posted by ramair3

I always like it when people complain about a purchase they've made, especially when they know in their own mind the cost of these headers would have cost 2 or 3 times if anyone else built them. But, decided to go the cheap route. Plus, custom headers would have required the use of your car for the entire mock up for which no else benefits. I felt if Ron asked for more money, I could use the difference between what I paid and the real world cost of $1000 an $1500 from other sources for the same product and would have happy to do so. At least my car stayed at home.

In my case, as with many others, we paid right after the first run was built when Ron had a source to build them. When that source decided not to build the second round, that is when Ron should have asked for more money. Instead he did not and had no idea how far over his head he was going to get. We just believed he would get it done and slowly, but surely he is.

I told you guys these headers were way under valued. For someone to complain about the extra shipping or coating costs, which you will eventually get back is kind of out of line. All this talk about Ron not delivering a product at a certain cost when he himself probably didn't know at the time isn't very realistic thinking. I suppose if he had asked for $200 for a set, we would have bought two sets without hesitation. I don't think "Tribal Tubes" was really a company in normal terms, but some guy who is trying his best to make good out of a bad situation.

[floffy]

Ron/Deanna Aron, please check your mail.

Daan

[crustysarge]

Many are quick to make assumptions about me when they have no idea who I am or what I stand for and believe. I believe in free market and small business but, I will not stand for fraud or deception in that process.

I continue to ask the question "Where is the person I gave my funds to?" Why does HE choose to not communicate with a buyer or others? I continue to receive no response. As I said before, I am sure the vendor has good intentions, but so did I when sent those funds and was in return given broken promises. All the vendor has to do is communicate with me and we could resolve this issue. I am sure if I owed funds I would be getting communication from a vendor.

All Ron has to do is tell me his plan and I will wait but HE chooses not to do so. Instead an unkoown 3rd party offers to act on his behalf offering the product for additional funds. No offense to you Aron.

I am not going to get into a verbal internet game those who slander others because it serves no purpose. I do enjoy the Na$i references though, very well thought out scenario to compare me to a Na$i sympathizer. Well thought out indeed. I guess that is why I wore the uniform of the United States Air Force from the age of 17 for 22 years and continue to work for the US Army as a civilian. A Na$i sympathizer, OK, sure.

If those who oppose me feel so strongly about this then tell the vendor to contact me.

This will be my last post on this subject unless Ron contacts me.

[gearbanger]

Crustysarge, I can completely relate to what you are thinking, but seriously, if you have been following along through this whole deal, you would know by now that Ron is not going to communicate with you or anybody else. So to draw a line in the sand like that is stupid. Just go ahead and do what you want. You can start suing and all that about a 700 dollar set of headers, but your not going to get anything and its just going to cost you more money. I gaurantee that you can call the authorities untill you are blue in the face. They don't give two sh!ts about a set of headers. The whole country is on drugs and they are not even doing anything about that. You think they are going to fly in there and get your headers? Good luck. Best thing you can do is just forget about the headers, and one day you'll get them. Lesson learned, don't pay in advance.