[cutlas]

I finally got the engine/transmission in my 67 Firebird project car and have run new 3/8" SS tubing for the cooling lines. Do I need to run through the cooler in the radiator and the auxiliary cooler or can I run through the plate cooler only? If I need to run through the radiator cooler as well does any one no of a fitting that will allow me to go from 3/8" tube to the 5/16" flair in the radiator? I would like to stay with hard lines only if possible.


Joe.

[Big Injun]

The question that begs to be asked, "Do you drive your car in the winter?" If you do, running the trans fluid into the radiator trans cooler will help warm the oil on cold days. If you only drive in normal temperatures I would avoid using the radiator trans cooler.

[cutlas]

That's what I was hoping to hear. I don't have plans to drive it in the winter and it will be so much easier to plumb the lines to the auxiliary cooler only.

Thank you.

[Tim Corcoran]

If it were me I would run it through the auxillary cooler first then thru the radiator and back to the trans. This way the trans oil gets up to operating temperature sooner and the radiator will keep the trans oil from getting too hot or too cold. It will keep trans oil temperature more constant and will add cooling capacity by using both coolers.

[cutlas]

Tim, that was my original thought to but I don't know of a fitting that will let me adapt from a 3/8" hard line to a 5/16' female flair.
Where can I find a 1/4" Female NPT to 5/16" Male Flare fitting?

[Steve C.]

Note the comments here about routing and comments related to retaing the original in-radiator trans cooler in addition to using an auxiliary cooler:


http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/g...s/viewall.html




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[Pontirag]

actually yo want to run it through the regular radiator first then through the aux cooler.

by passing the regular cooler has the added advantage that an overheating engine does not affect the tranny cooling

[Cobrabill]

Originally Posted by Tim Corcoran

If it were me I would run it through the auxillary cooler first then thru the radiator and back to the trans. This way the trans oil gets up to operating temperature sooner and the radiator will keep the trans oil from getting too hot or too cold. It will keep trans oil temperature more constant and will add cooling capacity by using both coolers.

Tim is correct.Trans fluid can be "too cool".By hitting the Aux cooler first,this is eliminated.

Sorry,Steve by that HR article is wrong.

[FatfreeGTO]

^^ I disagree, what happens when you are sitting in traffic and your engine is starting to overheat. If you plumb into the radiator first and then the external cooler now your trans fluid temps are closer to where they belong. If it goes through the radiator last you've simply re-heated the fluid to your coolant temp.

Modern external coolers self regulate based on the how thick the fluid is, colder fluid being thicker, less fluid goes through thus limiting the "over cooling" of the liquid.

[Cobrabill]

Originally Posted by FatfreeGTO

^^ I disagree, what happens when you are sitting in traffic and your engine is starting to overheat. If you plumb into the radiator first and then the external cooler now your trans fluid temps are closer to where they belong. If it goes through the radiator last you've simply re-heated the fluid to your coolant temp.

Modern external coolers self regulate based on the how thick the fluid is, colder fluid being thicker, less fluid goes through thus limiting the "over cooling" of the liquid.

You have it backwards,with the aux cooler first in line, and the temp of the fluid is too cold,then running it thru the radiator cooler brings it back into range.If the fluid temp is still too warm,then the radiator cooler has an easier time of temperature reduction.

"Coolant temp" is EXACTLY where you want the trans fluid temp.

[cutlas]

The car will only see warm weather so I think I will plumb it through the auxiliary cooler then the Radiator cooler. I have a large plate cooler I am going to use and plumbing through the radiator cooler last should help stabilize the trans fluid temperature. If the car is running hot I think the engine would be in trouble before the transmission any way.

[Cobrabill]

[Pontirag]

of course you can do what you want. But several sources, proffessionaly and highly qualified state that that you want to run it through the regular radiator first.

but what do they know.

they're only engineers and its their product.

[Cobrabill]

The factory engineers say different.

[FatfreeGTO]

Don't even waste money on an external cooler then because it won't do anything.

Edit: except add additional fluid capacity to the system.

http://www.carcraft.com/howto/transm.../photo_03.html

[Pontirag]

which factory?

the guys who make the coolers have specific instructions that confirm what many have recomended,

Ron Sessions , having written several articles and a few books on GM automatic transmission also confirms the same.

heavy trucks from the military with gm engines and auto trans ...ditto

so, which factory?


dont even get me started on what constitutes "too cold"

[chiphead]

I run mine through a B&M stack plate cooler mounted in front of the radiator, not using the radiator cooler. I've got an autometer tranny temp gauge mounted on the trans output line going to the cooler. Once the car warms up, it registers 130-150F, engine temps 160-180 in 70F weather.

[Cobrabill]

Originally Posted by Pontirag

which factory?

the guys who make the coolers have specific instructions that confirm what many have recomended,

Ron Sessions , having written several articles and a few books on GM automatic transmission also confirms the same.

heavy trucks from the military with gm engines and auto trans ...ditto

so, which factory?


dont even get me started on what constitutes "too cold"

What temp T-stat does the book call for in your car?

[Steve C.]

Fluid Coolers
Most hot rodders know that a tranny cooler is something they should install, but many just haven't made the time to do so. Unfortunately, such a casual attitude may not be the right approach. "In any place other than Antarctica, you should install a transmission fluid cooler," opines Stan. "Anytime you separate the cooling of the transmission fluid from the radiator, where the temperature can run over 210 degrees, you will promote longer transmission life. Instead of the transmission fluid only being cooled to the temperature of the radiator coolant, it will now run about 20-30 degrees cooler than the engine by using a separate transmission cooler."

TCI Automotive

Comment from another source:

Line routing
"Auxiliary transmission coolers are more effective when routed in the return line of the transmission cooler rather than the feed line."

Another source:

"The most often asked question is should I bypass the radiator cooler when I install a auxillary cooler.
Most cooler manufactures and automobile manufactures information we have read, recommends installing the coolers In-Series with the factory radiator cooler for maxium cooling efficiency. So unless the manufactures who have spent 1000's of hours testing different installations are wrong, the suggested cooler installation is in-series. If you must bypass the radiator because the cooler tube is leaking or for other reasons, be sure to increase the size cooler you install by 1 to 2 sizes."

Another source:

"There is two lines of thinking on how the cooler should be installed. One is so the fluid goes from the transmission to the auxiliary cooler, then through the stock cooler built into the radiator and then back to the transmission. The second method is to have it flow through the stock cooler, then the aux cooler and back. That is the way mine is currently installed at the suggestion of the pros at Level 10."


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[Singleton]

I would go thru the radiator first, then the auxiliary. Fluid cools, (or warms), to engine temp, then drops another ~20 degrees or so in the aux, before returning to trans. This should put the trans fluid temp around 160-175 depending on thermostat used.

From B&M:

B&M Super Cooler Mounting Guidelines
When considering installing a supplemental transmission fluid cooler B&M recommends the following guidelines for a successful and efficient installation:
● Route the transmission fluid through the stock radiator cooler, then through the supplemental B&M SuperCooler and then back to the transmission. This will provide the most efficient transmission fluid cooling system for your vehicle.