[bigunde]

Originally Posted by yak

my comment about all ford motors is based on fact- none of them perform well out of the box from ford , they always need something done to them to make them perform. i used to be a ford guy but after having to work on their 1997 and up sh&t i dont even waste my time with fords anymore

Whos facts are these? So you go to Dodge for "out of the box" performance???

[455Grandville]

Originally Posted by yak

my comment about all ford motors is based on fact- none of them perform well out of the box from ford , they always need something done to them to make them perform. i used to be a ford guy but after having to work on their 1997 and up sh&t i dont even waste my time with fords anymore

You're a bad liar: you said ALL FORDs

That would include Model T and A engines, Flatheads, Y block, Lincoln MELs, FE's (doub't you've ever touched a 427 or SOHC 427 in any highway truck)
429s and 460s suck too huh ? Tell me one characteristic about Fords SVO while you're at it since all Ford engines are junk.

Originally Posted by bigunde

Whos facts are these? So you go to Dodge for "out of the box" performance???

Neither he or Fisher-Price mallet have backed anything yet, why start now ?

[yak]

Originally Posted by yak

dont you know that a cold engine makes the most power so as soon as you hit the key you gotta pin the throttle to keep the clearances tight?

lol i hope nobody here actually believes what i wrote here

[hurryinhoosier62]

YEP!! We once got an 8V71 out of a loader from a guy like that. ALL the main caps were EXTREMELY loose, 4 of 5 main saddles and ALL the cam bores were spun. We should have junked that POS, but the owner said he couldn't afford a new engine. The TOTAL repair bill was nearly $6,000. We refused to warranty the work because the block was TRASHED!! A week after he got the block back, he called to let us know the engine was back in service and running great!! According to big hammer, this couldn't have happened; it was an "inferior" V-block diesel!!

[hurryinhoosier62]

Probably not!! It seem to be an OPINION based on heresay and conjecture rather than FACTS. Yak, I seen a few engines where that mindset was used. They usually had the rods hanging out of the block or the crank broken into pieces becuse they had "hydrauliced"!!

[giddygoat]

Interesting comparison of Ford and Chevy 1 tons going at it. I talked with a service tech the other day that works at a Ford dealership. He said he checks all the new diesels when the come in to see what they are doing for mileage, the 3/4 and 1 tons are averaging 23 mpg, and this is in the winter. Any one have any mileage numbers on the GM and Dodge?
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=...t=0&FORM=LKVR7

[yak]

Originally Posted by giddygoat

Interesting comparison of Ford and Chevy 1 tons going at it. I talked with a service tech the other day that works at a Ford dealership. He said he checks all the new diesels when the come in to see what they are doing for mileage, the 3/4 and 1 tons are averaging 23 mpg, and this is in the winter. Any one have any mileage numbers on the GM and Dodge?
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=...t=0&FORM=LKVR7

we service the highways dept f350s, they are 2010s to 2012s and when i get a chance i check the mileage reader on them. they are always 25 or more liters to 100kms-i'm not sure what the u.s conversion is on that. on a side note you should see where the f*7ktard engineers put the frame mounted fuel filter, they could have put the filter housing a foot or 2 farther back so it'd be easy to get to....

[giddygoat]

I forgot to add that these mileages are from 4 x 4s.

[bonneville Joe]

190k on my '04 Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi. No major problems. Replaced both front wheel bearing assemblies and the usual maintenance. I've towed cars all up and down the east coast with it. Just went to Charleston, SC yesterday and picked up a customer's '67 GTO. 500 miles round trip.

[giddygoat]

That would figure to be about 9.4 mpg, big difference... maybe due to extended idle time or towing? Recently read a comparsion on the 2012 models, they rated the GM as the best for road manors, but the Ford had a much better torque curve, the Dodge inline six was much lower in HP and torque, they complained the suspension was undersized for the weight. But the Dodge did not have to use urea, mileage suffered because of it.

[yak]

Originally Posted by giddygoat

That would figure to be about 9.4 mpg, big difference... maybe due to extended idle time or towing? Recently read a comparsion on the 2012 models, they rated the GM as the best for road manors, but the Ford had a much better torque curve, the Dodge inline six was much lower in HP and torque, they complained the suspension was undersized for the weight. But the Dodge did not have to use urea, mileage suffered because of it.

well if i ever was in the market to buy a diesel truck i'd be happy to know that since i'd probably pick up a 6.7 cummins that this same motor is powering my buddys fwa ford new holland tractor. you'll never see any dmax or ford built diesel in a ag or industrial application

[455Grandville]

Originally Posted by yak

well if i ever was in the market to buy a diesel truck i'd be happy to know that since i'd probably pick up a 6.7 cummins that this same motor is powering my buddys fwa ford new holland tractor. you'll never see any dmax or ford built diesel in a ag or industrial application

Wow, that's as ignorant as your statement about all Ford engines being no good; I've seen plenty of Ford 401 cid inline diesels in Ford tractors

Put that Cummins next to a John Deere or an old International in ag use - they use something called liners for quick in frame overhauls.

Originally Posted by yak

around where i live you used to have to back up hills with those old model ts because they's run out of fuel before they got to the top. typical ford engineering. every engine you listed is sh)t built ford tough. have you never worked on ford heads before? i have 429 and 460 heads in a grain bin at the farm. they have huge exhaust ports at the manifolds but farther in the port you can barely squeeze a pinky finger in there. the only ford heads i've seen that could perform are maybe 351 cleveland heads but they are on too small of a motor. i've messed with 5.0s. whats with ford engineers puting those huge bumps in the exhaust ports? f%^k ford bunch ofdum f^&k engineers with there overpriced ecoboost s%&t. ya you can make a ford fast but a chev or dodge motor can be built to out perform itI a

You said engines. Now you're talking gravity fed fuel supply, which damn near every car used 100 + yrs ago. Guess you never heard of the Cobra Jet 429 or Boss 429, the heads your speaking of are for one ton pickups, so they're designed for low end torque. The bumps are to help with velocity. 351C did just fine; why don't you tell Bob Glidden who beat the beejesus out of everyone in the late 70s running Cleveland heads that they were wrong ?
427 Fords junk ? Yea, they ate Ferraris in Lemans and held up against Mopar Hemis in NASCAR. You have no experience with an Ecoboost, yet you're calling it junk ?

You sound more like a parts changer and certainly not capable of machining the engine and measuring for wear; your ignorance is shining well.

[yak]

Originally Posted by 455Grandville

Wow, that's as ignorant as your statement about all Ford engines being no good; I've seen plenty of Ford 401 cid inline diesels in Ford tractors

Put that Cummins next to a John Deere or an old International in ag use - they use something called liners for quick in frame overhauls.



You said engines. Now you're talking gravity fed fuel supply, which damn near every car used 100 + yrs ago. Guess you never heard of the Cobra Jet 429 or Boss 429, the heads your speaking of are for one ton pickups, so they're designed for low end torque. The bumps are to help with velocity. 351C did just fine; why don't you tell Bob Glidden who beat the beejesus out of everyone in the late 70s running Cleveland heads that they were wrong ?
427 Fords junk ? Yea, they ate Ferraris in Lemans and held up against Mopar Hemis in NASCAR. You have no experience with an Ecoboost, yet you're calling it junk ?

You sound more like a parts changer and certainly not capable of machining the engine and measuring for wear; your ignorance is shining well.

ford exhaust ports are built for velocity? lmao. and a ecoboost v6 is just a turbo buick with a bunch of ford engineering put on it. if it was so awesome chevy would have been using that 20 years ago

[bigunde]

[QUOTE=yak;4570192]well if i ever was in the market to buy a diesel truck i'd be happy to know that since i'd probably pick up a 6.7 cummins that this same motor is powering my buddys fwa ford new holland tractor. you'll never see any dmax or ford built diesel in a ag or industrial application[/QUOTE]

Really???

http://www.exergyengineering.com/doc...x_brochure.pdf

[yak]

[QUOTE=bigunde;4570267]

Originally Posted by yak

well if i ever was in the market to buy a diesel truck i'd be happy to know that since i'd probably pick up a 6.7 cummins that this same motor is powering my buddys fwa ford new holland tractor. you'll never see any dmax or ford built diesel in a ag or industrial application[/QUOTE]

Really???

http://www.exergyengineering.com/doc...x_brochure.pdf

let me clarify- duramax or that new ford diesel ( i'm talking commercially available in the c/k or f series ) will ever be put in logging equipment, scrapers or anything like that. maybe they'll be in boats or something i dunno... i know dam well that tons of cummins and cats and hyundai diesels power real off road equipment ...if ford had something special they wouldn't have needed to built umpteen different styles of engines like the 427 and 428 and 429 andthen the 460 and 3 different 351s and the y block motors. just a godd damm joke

[bigunde]

[QUOTE=yak;4574915]

Originally Posted by bigunde

let me clarify- duramax or that new ford diesel ( i'm talking commercially available in the c/k or f series ) will ever be put in logging equipment, scrapers or anything like that. maybe they'll be in boats or something i dunno... i know dam well that tons of cummins and cats and hyundai diesels power real off road equipment ...if ford had something special they wouldn't have needed to built umpteen different styles of engines like the 427 and 428 and 429 andthen the 460 and 3 different 351s and the y block motors. just a godd damm joke

LOL , you are a trip. What about that Dodge diesel. Oh wait, they didnt make one did they. LOL

Wow you need help with that anger. Why did Dodge stop the 225/318/360??? LOL

[bigunde]

Originally Posted by yak;4574915

1)[B

let me clarify[/B]- duramax or that new ford diesel ( i'm talking commercially available in the c/k or f series )2) will ever be put in logging equipment, scrapers or anything like that. maybe they'll be in boats or something i dunno... i know dam well that tons of cummins and cats and hyundai diesels power real off road equipment ...if ford had something special they wouldn't have needed to built umpteen different styles of engines like the 427 and 428 and 429 andthen the 460 and 3 different 351s and the y block motors. just a godd damm joke

1) You mean make it work out for you, LOL

2) And you know this how? You are in yours 30's and you have how much experience with ALL types of engines?

[hurryinhoosier62]

Well,

I guess that rules out the Ford 6.6, 6.6 phase II,7.8 and the 200 found in MOST Ford and New Holland tractors and backhoes built in the 60's,70's and 80's. All of these are DDEs(Damn Durable Engines)!! As a matter of fact, the 6.6/7.8 family of engines were ag engines adapted for truck use. The 200s were always ag engines. I know one thing for sure: you can't bore a 4B/4BT/6B/6BT Cummins .180 over to install sleeves when the cylinder bores are worn out
because the engine is on its 4th OVERHAUL.

[bigunde]

Originally Posted by hurryinhoosier62

Well,

I guess that rules out the Ford 6.6, 6.6 phase II,7.8 and the 200 found in MOST Ford and New Holland tractors and backhoes built in the 60's,70's and 80's. All of these are
DDEs(Damn Durable Engines)!!

There you go with those pesky FACTS again guys.

[yak]

Originally Posted by hurryinhoosier62

Well,

I guess that rules out the Ford 6.6, 6.6 phase II,7.8 and the 200 found in MOST Ford and New Holland tractors and backhoes built in the 60's,70's and 80's. All of these are DDEs(Damn Durable Engines)!! As a matter of fact, the 6.6/7.8 family of engines were ag engines adapted for truck use. The 200s were always ag engines. I know one thing for sure: you can't bore a 4B/4BT/6B/6BT Cummins .180 over to install sleeves when the cylinder bores are worn out
because the engine is on its 4th OVERHAUL.

60's 70's 80's? are any of these motors your talking about produced right now by the big 3? thats what this whole post is about