[Alvin]

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I can not believe that none of the self proclaimed Chevy Truck guys haven’t mentioned this yet: What American Vehicle did Hot Rod Magazine give the award as the fastest American Vehicle IIRC 1973 or 1974??? And no, shocking even then, it wasn’t the Super Duty Pontiac.

IIRC: It was either the 1973 or 1974 Big Block 454 C-10 Chevy Truck was named the fastest Muscle Car of the Year by Hot Rod (?) magazine. I remembered reading that in disbelief. Chevy guys can feel free to chime in with the details. As I remember it from back then, it was a Red Step-side that was featured in the article.
Similar to the one in: The Driver, Movie, 1978 http://www.imcdb.org/movie_77474-The-Driver.html

[sleepy]

Since when has Hot Rod Magazine brown nosed ANYONE but chevy? They've had their head up chevys butt the entire time the magazine has been in print.

[The Champ]

Originally Posted by 455Grandville

Ive been to enough tracks to know that's usually what you see. Plenty of toothless trailer park hicks with women/wives they picked up at a barnyard auction

I guess if that's all that lives in the Ozarks with you, that's what your experience is. I was checking out the Ozarks and I found your photo...



I live in the real world where there are real people that are involved in dirt track racing. I do live in an agricultural area, but many of these farmers are millionaires (and many of them are racers/race fans).

Ignorance ? Yea, so says the one who doesn't understand it's the builder of the car (and the driver) moreso then the manufacturer.

I fully understand that the car builder and the driver are key elements. I also know that the majority of the better car builders and drivers choose to have a Chevy powerplant. If you knew anything about racing, you wouldn't try and argue basic facts.

And if you knew much about circle tracks, you'd know certain guys regardless of what they drive have their buddies at certain tracks who will rule in their favor.

I guess I don't know anything about the tracks in the Ozarks. But in the real world, it doesn't work that way.

Have you ever been a track official? I have. My first night on the job, I sent the track owners son to the back - and the owner and his son are friends of mine.

I'd bet money if the Ford engine I built came to your neck of the woods and beat your precious Chebby, you'd be crying for a strip search of the car

First of all, you'd have to come up here and do it - and I don't think you have the courage to try. And secondly, I know the quality of the drivers, car builders and engine builders that are up here - and I don't think a misguided Ford apologist like you could pull it off???

As far as getting teched - I would be the last person to request anything out of the ordinary. Our tech officials do their job very professionally - they don't care who the car belongs to.

We're not a bunch of toothless Ozark hillbillies.

But, keep cryin Chump, it amuses me.

The whining's all coming from down south in the Ozarks - your tears have filled up the swimmin' hole for you and all your neighbors...

[Alvin]

Originally Posted by Alvin

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I can not believe that none of the self proclaimed Chevy Truck guys haven’t mentioned this yet: What American Vehicle did Hot Rod Magazine give the award as the fastest American Vehicle IIRC 1973 or 1974??? And no, shocking even then, it wasn’t the Super Duty Pontiac.

IIRC: It was either the 1973 or 1974 Big Block 454 C-10 Chevy Truck was named the fastest Muscle Car of the Year by Hot Rod (?) magazine. I remembered reading that in disbelief. Chevy guys can feel free to chime in with the details. As I remember it from back then, it was a Red Step-side that was featured in the article.
Similar to the one in: The Driver, Movie, 1978 http://www.imcdb.org/movie_77474-The-Driver.html

Originally Posted by sleepy

Since when has Hot Rod Magazine brown nosed ANYONE but chevy? They've had their head up chevys butt the entire time the magazine has been in print.

That may be true; however…the topic was Ford vs. Chevy Trucks….

[The Champ]

Originally Posted by sleepy

Since when has Hot Rod Magazine brown nosed ANYONE but chevy? They've had their head up chevys butt the entire time the magazine has been in print.

Really???

[Alvin]

Champ – Any idea which issue of Hot Rod that had the 1973 or 74 C-10 454 Chevy Truck awarded the fastest (IIRC: 1/4 mile @ LACR or OCR) article?

IIRC it was a black & white article and the truck was a 4-spd.

[johnta1]

This site has a lot of the Mag covers from Hot Rod.

Hot Rod Mags

I do remember they had a lot of articles on trucks and vans back then.
Don't really remember a truck as being the fastest.
(faster than the vette possibly? )

[johnta1]

How about Car Craft possibly?

[Diego]

I'm guessing he's remembering the Dodge Li'l Red Express being faster than the Corvette in '78 or so.

[Diego]

Originally Posted by Alvin

History shows, beginning in 1968, that Ford was ahead of the pack…

Ford may have been ahead of the pack in '68, but there were no "true" aero cars till the Charger 500 came out, which was for the beginning of the '69 model year.

[455Grandville]

Originally Posted by The Champ

I guess if that's all that lives in the Ozarks with you, that's what your experience is. I was checking out the Ozarks and I found your photo...



I live in the real world where there are real people that are involved in dirt track racing. I do live in an agricultural area, but many of these farmers are millionaires (and many of them are racers/race fans).



I fully understand that the car builder and the driver are key elements. I also know that the majority of the better car builders and drivers choose to have a Chevy powerplant. If you knew anything about racing, you wouldn't try and argue basic facts.



I guess I don't know anything about the tracks in the Ozarks. But in the real world, it doesn't work that way.

Have you ever been a track official? I have. My first night on the job, I sent the track owners son to the back - and the owner and his son are friends of mine.



First of all, you'd have to come up here and do it - and I don't think you have the courage to try. And secondly, I know the quality of the drivers, car builders and engine builders that are up here - and I don't think a misguided Ford apologist like you could pull it off???

As far as getting teched - I would be the last person to request anything out of the ordinary. Our tech officials do their job very professionally - they don't care who the car belongs to.

We're not a bunch of toothless Ozark hillbillies.



The whining's all coming from down south in the Ozarks - your tears have filled up the swimmin' hole for you and all your neighbors...

You got me there Chump, lake front property is always cheap, as are Cigarette & Fountain boats

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nV2h...1&feature=fvwp

Call me a hick, but for some reason I prefer going water skiing, boating, partyin' & seeing hot women tanning in the cove instead of old clunkers racing around in a dirt circle. How many women attend those events that weigh under 200 lbs Chump ?

Courage ? Oh ! Now this "Come up and meet me" crap

Well, maybe you should bring your Government Motors Chebby down to the Rally races we have. I'd laugh at how the 4 cylinder Subies would eat 'em for lunch without the benefit of a government welfare bailout :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvU5X9_Tw5o

Of course Chump with the beaut below you have alot of room to talk about us toothless hicks, maybe if I was not a toothless hick I could caught something like that instead of settling for the woman in my Bonneville ?

[455Grandville]

Originally Posted by Alvin

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I can not believe that none of the self proclaimed Chevy Truck guys haven’t mentioned this yet: What American Vehicle did Hot Rod Magazine give the award as the fastest American Vehicle IIRC 1973 or 1974??? And no, shocking even then, it wasn’t the Super Duty Pontiac.

IIRC: It was either the 1973 or 1974 Big Block 454 C-10 Chevy Truck was named the fastest Muscle Car of the Year by Hot Rod (?) magazine. I remembered reading that in disbelief. Chevy guys can feel free to chime in with the details. As I remember it from back then, it was a Red Step-side that was featured in the article.
Similar to the one in: The Driver, Movie, 1978 http://www.imcdb.org/movie_77474-The-Driver.html

I don't buy that a bit either; a 250 Horse 455 T/A was quicker then those, and I guess they never heard of the SD-455 those years ?

[Cobrabill]

Originally Posted by johnta1

How about Car Craft possibly?

The most important thing is that we now know that the 77 Datsun 620 was a Supertruck

[The Champ]

Originally Posted by 455Grandville

Call me a hick, but for some reason I prefer going water skiing, boating, partyin' & seeing hot women tanning in the cove instead of old clunkers racing around in a dirt circle. How many women attend those events that weigh under 200 lbs Chump ?

I guess if you don't understand anything about racin', I can understand why playing in the kiddie pool would be more interesting....

Clunkers? That may be what they race down in the Ozarks (we don't have a class for ratty Crown Vic clunkers - or cars with a minimum 116.1" wheelbase). Our entry level class - this is Danny Hanson - a national championship winner:



The car I've worked on for many years, with Coach T behind the wheel:



A 6 or 7 time national champion, Craig Thatcher. Another car I have helped work on.



And another friend of mine, Steve Arpin (with his wife - under 100 pounds) who has run both NASCAR Truck and Nationwide races (10th place finish at Daytona).



Another shot of Steve holding my niece's little boy at Deer Creek Speedway.



Another friend of mine (my wife used to work with his mother) - Jimmy Mars.



Jimmy is the same age as you, but started racing cars in 1985 (when you were still riding a bicycle). He's an engineering grad, and has a racing resume that is very impressive as a driver, but he and his brother have owned and operated their own race shop building race cars for drivers all over the country.

http://www.marsracecars.com/index.html

All the above cars are Chevy powered. All these friends of mine have won championships.

Courage ? Oh ! Now this "Come up and meet me" crap

FWIW, I wasn't referring to fighting courage. I was referring to having the courage to actully bet real money on the Ford engine you built to win a race up here at Deer Creek.

You did post this:

I'd bet money if the Ford engine I built came to your neck of the woods and beat your precious Chebby, you'd be crying for a strip search of the car

In all the years I've been involved in racing (as long as you've been alive), I've never been involved in having someone torn down. I seriously doubt that you'd ever try and come up here and try and compete with real racers, so why would I need to have them tear down your Ford?

That's not to say that people from down south don't come here, but they are real racers - not your "toothless white trash" from the Ozarks.

We had racers from 24 states, Canada and Australia race here last year.

Demographics of the fans - 8% are "professionals" (medical/lawyer), 10% are in management, 10% are in the computer field, 9% are business owners, 10% are in sales, 14% are in mech/elect/vocational, 2% in retail and 29% are blue collar/labor.

Over 90% of the fans are HS grads (14.4% of the fans are 18 or under), over 49% have attended college and over 26% have at least a bachelor's degree.

Of course Chump with the beaut below you have alot of room to talk about us toothless hicks, maybe if I was not a toothless hick I could caught something like that instead of settling for the woman in my Bonneville ?

Yup, my wife isn't as young as she was when we were dating each other in 1972 and going parking in my 1960 Bonneville and she is heavier today than she was back then. But she does have all her own teeth...

Your wife is very attractive in that photo you posted. How old was she when that was taken (as I don't believe you have a Bonneville at this time) and how old is she now. Why didn't you post a current photo?

Glad to see that you are so obsessed with me that you actually would go to another thread and copy a photo of me and my wife and take the time to make up an extremely lame title for the photo...

Our own resident board stalker...

One last thing, to get us back on topic...

When are you going to replace your Ford PU with the "longest lasting, most dependable" truck in America - a Chevrolet....

[455Grandville]

Originally Posted by The Champ

I guess if you don't understand anything about racin', I can understand why playing in the kiddie pool would be more interesting....

Of course; any straight man with a pulse would prefer looking at hotties, drinkin beer and riding in hot boats over sitting at a dusty track watching cars go in a circle.

Cousin and I are building a Mk II Ford Cortina for rally racing.
Only have one pic I could find was taken the day we found it in Oklahoma field. It's under construction.
Granted it's taking a bit longer then I like, but building a Ford Kent 1600 w/ Lotus head is a bit of a challange then another Chebby small block

Originally Posted by The Champ

Clunkers? That may be what they race down in the Ozarks (we don't have a class for ratty Crown Vic clunkers - or cars with a minimum 116.1" wheelbase).

That's my point: if you're that involved in racing you know rules vary greatly in different areas.
And, you're only kiddin yourself : anyone in that sport knows certain tracks will bend for certain buddy groups and locals regardless of the car make they drive.

Originally Posted by The Champ

The car I've worked on for many years, with Coach T behind the wheel:



A 6 or 7 time national champion, Craig Thatcher. Another car I have helped work on.



And another friend of mine, Steve Arpin (with his wife - under 100 pounds) who has run both NASCAR Truck and Nationwide races (10th place finish at Daytona).



Another shot of Steve holding my niece's little boy at Deer Creek Speedway.



Another friend of mine (my wife used to work with his mother) - Jimmy Mars.



http://www.marsracecars.com/index.html

Should I have heard of all these names ?

Lotta' braggin on your buddies there, Champ. Kinda weak. What have you accomplished ? What do you actually do to the cars you work on ?

Under 100 lbs ? I prefer a woman with some more meat and curves, myself

Originally Posted by The Champ

Another shot of Steve holding my niece's little boy at Deer Creek Speedway.

I do hope the adults have that child wearing ear and eye protection at those events -

Originally Posted by The Champ

Jimmy is the same age as you, but started racing cars in 1985 (when you were still riding a bicycle). He's an engineering grad, and has a racing resume that is very impressive as a driver, but he and his brother have owned and operated their own race shop building race cars for drivers all over the country.
....

Of course I was riding a bicycle, I was 15 !

Degrees don't impress me; they're a piece of paper. What an invidual can do impresses me. But, I have a black Belt in Six Sigma; not only does it require a degree, but years of training to get certification with real world accomplished numbers.

Originally Posted by The Champ

All the above cars are Chevy powered. All these friends of mine have won championships.

Chebbys are cheaper to build and the aftermarket supports them better. Takes more skill to build something that's not "mainstream" vs someone who orders parts off the net at the click of a finger.

Originally Posted by The Champ

FWIW, I wasn't referring to fighting courage. I was referring to having the courage to actully bet real money on the Ford engine you built to win a race up here at Deer Creek.

Oh, get real, nobody I know is going to drive up to Minnesota (or in that area) to settle an internet argument. That's not going to happen.

Originally Posted by The Champ

All the above cars are Chevy powered. All these friends of mine have won championships.

Chebbys are cheaper to build and the aftermarket supports them better. Takes more skill to build something that's not "mainstream" vs someone who orders parts off the net at the click of a finger.

Originally Posted by The Champ

That's not to say that people from down south don't come here, but they are real racers - not your "toothless white trash" from the Ozarks.

Jokes on you Champ: I'm originally from Frontenac, Missouri, not the Ozarks.
Frontenac is not for poor boys; next door neighbor had a Jaguar XKSS, one of sixteen manufactured; a $250,000 car 30 years ago
Wife inherited property here, and we prefer the privacy and the peace & quiet. It's nice to be able to leave your keys in the car, too.

Originally Posted by The Champ

When are you going to replace your Ford PU with the "longest lasting, most dependable" truck in America - a Chevrolet....

Never ! Chebby guys are card carryin A-Holes. Bought a Texas rust free Impala in 1988, factory 402 Big Block ; said "300 Horse Turbo Jet 400" on the air cleaner. Put in a crane 350 horse 396 hydralic cam, Chevy Rally wheels (had to use adaprters it had a truck pattern !)
It was really a damn nice car, but even the Chebby guys rejected it despite the fact it was a big block; it was not a Nova, Chevelle or a Camaro. A 305 Camaro was more respected in those Chebby a-hole crowds.
the car did have one of Chebbys many problems: starter motor drilled off from the flywheel. Ate starters constantly. You could not shim it correctly ! Found out later Chebbys were just slopply manufactured engines and that was typical.
Fast forward to 1990 : helped a buddy throw a 455 in a Trans Am. Really started liking Pontiaca after that. Havent looked back since. And Chebby guys are major A-holes to Pontiac guys. Besides, GM doesnt make a 4wd 4 dr truck that runs 14s and can do 22-23 mpg.

Longest lasting ? Says who ? Maybe in suburban use, but not when workin' 'em like a dog ! what survey ? What was the population size of the sample ?

Originally Posted by The Champ

Yup, my wife isn't as young as she was when we were dating each other in 1972 and going parking in my 1960 Bonneville and she is heavier today than she was back then. But she does have all her own teeth...

Your wife is very attractive in that photo you posted. How old was she when that was taken (as I don't believe you have a Bonneville at this time) and how old is she now. Why didn't you post a current photo?

Glad to see that you are so obsessed with me that you actually would go to another thread and copy a photo of me and my wife and take the time to make up an extremely lame title for the photo...

Never said a thing about her looks. I'm sure she must be find to keep her that long. That pic was taken in 2000. It's all I could access at the time. One from Christmas 2011 below holding our 4th.

[The Champ]

Originally Posted by 455Grandville

Of course; any straight man with a pulse would prefer looking at hotties, drinkin beer and riding in hot boats over sitting at a dusty track watching cars go in a circle.

So, now you're saying I'm gay. I'll just consider the source.

Of course I was riding a bicycle, I was 15 !

Jimmy is younger than you - he was only 13 when he started racing cars in 1985...

Chebbys are cheaper to build and the aftermarket supports them better.

The reason they are less expensive to build is that more people want them. If more people were building Ford's, the cost of the aftermarket parts would go down.

Oh, get real, nobody I know is going to drive up to Minnesota (or in that area) to settle an internet argument. That's not going to happen.

You're the one that posted you'd bet money that your Ford could come up here and beat the local guys that run Chevy's. Put up or shut up. Like I posted - you don't have the courage to back up your posts.

Jokes on you Champ: I'm originally from Frontenac, Missouri, not the Ozarks.
Frontenac is not for poor boys; next door neighbor had a Jaguar XKSS, one of sixteen manufactured; a $250,000 car 30 years ago
Wife inherited property here, and we prefer the privacy and the peace & quiet. It's nice to be able to leave your keys in the car, too.

So what you're really telling us, is that you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth and married into your current property situation... Probably explains why you have the attitudes you have.

[I]Never said a thing about her looks.

You may want to go back and reread what you posted.

Regardless, you seem to like name calling and making derogatory comments when you can't post facts to prove your point.

The titling you created for the photo of my wife and I up in Alberta "Brokeback Mountain" is very telling about you as a person.

You really need to get a Chevy truck. It would probably improve your outlook on life. Driving those Fords must really be depressing to get you into a lather like this.

[bigunde]

Wow and my post saying a thread would be moved to the CH got deleted?

[The Champ]

Originally Posted by bigunde

Wow and my post saying a thread would be moved to the CH got deleted?

Just so you know. I am by no means asking/wanting the mods to move this. I am a big enough man to deal with a certain posters personal attacks and insults.

They are only words posted on the internet. I consider the source and let it continue on into cyberspace...

[David Jones]

A more completely descriptive and telling user name, I've never seen............

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