[big hammer]

Originally Posted by hurryinhoosier62

bigunde,

Saw an AMAZING thing on "American Trucker" last night. NASA owns 4 1967 model Peterbilt 351 "needlenose" tractors. Guess what engine was in them?? Not a "K" series
Cummins or the equivalent 6 cylinder Cat......12V71 Detroits!! Imagine that, a "V" type diesel engine!! Don't they KNOW big hammer wouldn't approve??

the more you talk, the more it seems you know nothing at all about industrial engine applications.

[yak]

Originally Posted by big hammer

the more you talk, the more it seems you know nothing at all about industrial engine applications.

these guys on here are living in 1972 dude...remind me to restrict my exhaust ports on any fords i own to get some torque out of it too

[bigunde]

Originally Posted by yak;4574915

1)[B

let me clarify[/B]- duramax or that new ford diesel ( i'm talking commercially available in the c/k or f series )2) will ever be put in logging equipment, scrapers or anything like that. maybe they'll be in boats or something i dunno... i know dam well that tons of cummins and cats and hyundai diesels power real off road equipment ...if ford had something special they wouldn't have needed to built umpteen different styles of engines like the 427 and 428 and 429 andthen the 460 and 3 different 351s and the y block motors. just a godd damm joke

1) You mean make it work out for you, LOL

2) And you know this how? You are in yours 30's and you have how much experience with ALL types of engines?

[bigunde]

Originally Posted by yak

these guys on here are living in 1972 dude...remind me to restrict my exhaust ports on any fords i own to get some torque out of it too

More schooling i see:
http://phystutor.tripod.com/stang/en...cleveland.html




Cleveland Family Cylinder Heads The Cleveland design cylinder heads are the real trick to the engine's performance. Several versions exist. Monsterous ports are found on the four barrel (4V) variety giving very high flow capacity on an all out race motor. Somewhat smaller ports on the 2V version result in increased low-end torque, perhaps better suited to today's street applications. The combustion chambers were made in closed chamber quench shape, and also in a lower compression open chamber style. Engines designed for hydraulic lifter camshafts use slotted rocker arm pedestals, for non-adjustable rockers. These slots maintain the pushrod alignment. 1971 Boss and 1972 High Output engines featured mecahnical lifter camshafts with flat pedestals for adjustable rocker arms and pushrod guide plates. These heads also have machined valve spring seats for use with mulitple coil valve springs. The high performance heads utilize single groove valve stem locks. Australian heads come in even more variety.

[455Grandville]

Originally Posted by bigunde

More schooling i see:
http://phystutor.tripod.com/stang/en...cleveland.html




Cleveland Family Cylinder Heads The Cleveland design cylinder heads are the real trick to the engine's performance. Several versions exist. Monsterous ports are found on the four barrel (4V) variety giving very high flow capacity on an all out race motor. Somewhat smaller ports on the 2V version result in increased low-end torque, perhaps better suited to today's street applications. The combustion chambers were made in closed chamber quench shape, and also in a lower compression open chamber style. Engines designed for hydraulic lifter camshafts use slotted rocker arm pedestals, for non-adjustable rockers. These slots maintain the pushrod alignment. 1971 Boss and 1972 High Output engines featured mecahnical lifter camshafts with flat pedestals for adjustable rocker arms and pushrod guide plates. These heads also have machined valve spring seats for use with mulitple coil valve springs. The high performance heads utilize single groove valve stem locks. Australian heads come in even more variety.

One things for sure: neither of these guys are engine builders. They're quite good at talking trash and being critical against anything they don't like or understand.

[hurryinhoosier62]

big hammer,

YOU NEVER have revealed EXACTLY WHAT it is you do for a living(other than run your mouth). I've machined MORE INSTRUSTRIAL DIESEL ENGINES than YOU'VE EVER
SEEN. WHERE do you gather this "vaunted" knowledge from? My guess is your backside!!

Yak,

EVER HEARD OF EMISSION SPECS??? That is what has killed many successful diesel engines, not the fact they weren't good engines. Try reading up on EPA regs on diesels starting, oh let's say starting about in the 1980s. Little things like sulfur dioxide emissions, particulates, noise...........

[455Grandville]

Originally Posted by hurryinhoosier62

big hammer,

YOU NEVER have revealed EXACTLY WHAT it is you do for a living(other than run your mouth). I've machined MORE INSTRUSTRIAL DIESEL ENGINES than YOU'VE EVER
SEEN. WHERE do you gather this "vaunted" knowledge from? My guess is your backside!!

Yak,

EVER HEARD OF EMISSION SPECS??? That is what has killed many successful diesel engines, not the fact they weren't good engines. Try reading up on EPA regs on diesels starting, oh let's say starting about in the 1980s. Little things like sulfur dioxide emissions, particulates, noise...........

Guess none of 'em heard that's why CAT pulled out of the truck market ; the ACERT was a disaster -

[hurryinhoosier62]

Brad,

It's pretty apparent that NEITHER of these boneheads has ever "bent wrenches" for a living!!

[yak]

Originally Posted by bigunde

1) You mean make it work out for you, LOL

2) And you know this how? You are in yours 30's and you have how much experience with ALL types of engines?

what does any of this have to do with the best big three trucks? i've worked on all 3 manufacturers crap right from a 1936 to 2011. do i machine blocks? no. do i grind valves?no.have i assembled engines from ford dodge and chevy and seen how they are engineered? YOU BET! give me a dodge or chevy any day over a 97 and up f150. they are junk.

oh and yay for ford building a awesome head for the 351 cleveland.way back in the day there was a 71 351c mach 1 mustang 4 gear in town that would get spanked by my uncles 70 340 4 gear dart all the time . it must have had cleveland heads swapped on....

[Alvin]

Originally Posted by yak

what does any of this have to do with the best big three trucks? ...get(ting) spanked by my uncle....

Yup

[bigunde]

Originally Posted by yak

what does any of this have to do with the best big three trucks? i've worked on all 3 manufacturers crap right from a 1936 to 2011. do i machine blocks? no. do i grind valves?no.have i assembled engines from ford dodge and chevy and seen how they are engineered? YOU BET! give me a dodge or chevy any day over a 97 and up f150. they are junk.

oh and yay for ford building a awesome head for the 351 cleveland.way back in the day there was a 71 351c mach 1 mustang 4 gear in town that would get spanked by my uncles 70 340 4 gear dart all the time . it must have had cleveland heads swapped on....

?????????

[455Grandville]

Originally Posted by yak

what does any of this have to do with the best big three trucks? i've worked on all 3 manufacturers crap right from a 1936 to 2011. do i machine blocks? no. do i grind valves?no.have i assembled engines from ford dodge and chevy and seen how they are engineered? YOU BET! give me a dodge or chevy any day over a 97 and up f150. they are junk.

oh and yay for ford building a awesome head for the 351 cleveland.way back in the day there was a 71 351c mach 1 mustang 4 gear in town that would get spanked by my uncles 70 340 4 gear dart all the time . it must have had cleveland heads swapped on....

Well then, Bob Glidden should thank his lucky stars your uncle never showed up to race him in Pro Stock when he was dominating in the 70s with the Cleveland engine. Bill Elliot should also be thankful your uncle didn't enter that 340 in NASCAR during the 80s as well -

Originally Posted by hurryinhoosier62

Brad,

It's pretty apparent that NEITHER of these boneheads has ever "bent wrenches" for a living!!

Yak sure does not. He just compared a low compression engines performance to a high compression engine. He also failed to mention if the Mach 1 was a 2v or 4v -

[hurryinhoosier62]

Brad,

Yak operates out of sheer ignorance. We just need to accept the FACT the he KNOWS IT ALL(or thinks he does). I sure Yak could teach Bob a thing or two about building world championship caliber engines.........yeah,RIGHT!!!!!

[camerjeff]

Well I am not going to say I just ordered the best big 3 truck, but I ordered the best one for my personel needs (I Think). Last week I ordered an Echoboost F-150 Extended cab with an 8' Bed, 2wd. I do not tow as much as I used to, and Mostly use my Trucks for Transporting Bulky but not heavy loads for work, and the 4 or 5 times a year I tow my car trailer to the track.
My 97 Dodge has been a good truck that I have neglected the Maint on for the last 5 or 6 years, and now just doesn't justify the 2 to 3 grand of maint work it really needs.
The Rams eliminated themselves for me with the new Ext Cab design with the forward opening doors.
I just can't bring myself to buy a new Chevy, and the GMC's were about $5000.00 more than the Ford, get worse MPG, and I would have to get things like a leather interior, push Carpeting ect.... That I did not want or need.
I hope it is better than my last new F-150, the 1987 300 I-6 that was the worst new vehical I ever owned until it luckly had the ignition switch burn it to the ground 6 months after I bought it.

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by hurryinhoosier62

big hammer,

YOU NEVER have revealed EXACTLY WHAT it is you do for a living(other than run your mouth). I've machined MORE INSTRUSTRIAL DIESEL ENGINES than YOU'VE EVER
SEEN. WHERE do you gather this "vaunted" knowledge from? My guess is your backside!!

Yak,

EVER HEARD OF EMISSION SPECS??? That is what has killed many successful diesel engines, not the fact they weren't good engines. Try reading up on EPA regs on diesels starting, oh let's say starting about in the 1980s. Little things like sulfur dioxide emissions, particulates, noise...........

you run your mouth alot. it's obvious you know very little about modern inline diesels, and why the industry vastly prefers them over the old, ****ty v8's.

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by bigunde

More schooling i see:
http://phystutor.tripod.com/stang/en...cleveland.html




Cleveland Family Cylinder Heads The Cleveland design cylinder heads are the real trick to the engine's performance. Several versions exist. Monsterous ports are found on the four barrel (4V) variety giving very high flow capacity on an all out race motor. Somewhat smaller ports on the 2V version result in increased low-end torque, perhaps better suited to today's street applications. The combustion chambers were made in closed chamber quench shape, and also in a lower compression open chamber style. Engines designed for hydraulic lifter camshafts use slotted rocker arm pedestals, for non-adjustable rockers. These slots maintain the pushrod alignment. 1971 Boss and 1972 High Output engines featured mecahnical lifter camshafts with flat pedestals for adjustable rocker arms and pushrod guide plates. These heads also have machined valve spring seats for use with mulitple coil valve springs. The high performance heads utilize single groove valve stem locks. Australian heads come in even more variety.

that's more to do with the intake side to keep air\fuel velocity up for increased low rpm torque.

[hurryinhoosier62]

Which modern inline,6 cylinder diesels? Cummins 6B/6BTs,6Cs, ISMs? Detroit Series 40s or Series 60s? Cat C10s?C12s? Perkins? Yanmar? IH DT466Es? DT530Es? WHICH ONE,oh mouthy one??? BTW....I noticed you're STILL avoiding the question. WHAT IS YOUR OCCUPATION? I'm a retired ASE Master Engine Machinist with both gasoline and diesel endorsements. I've also worked as a diesel injection tech. WHAT'S YOUR EXPERIENCE other than RUNNING YOUR MOUTH???

[yak]

Originally Posted by 455Grandville

Well then, Bob Glidden should thank his lucky stars your uncle never showed up to race him in Pro Stock when he was dominating in the 70s with the Cleveland engine. Bill Elliot should also be thankful your uncle didn't enter that 340 in NASCAR during the 80s as well -



Yak sure does not. He just compared a low compression engines performance to a high compression engine. He also failed to mention if the Mach 1 was a 2v or 4v -

i guess bill glidden should have tuned up every cleveland motor to make them perform. and yes that mustang had the 4v heads, back in 94 when that car got parted out i could have got the intake for free but passed because i wasnt able to use it. and yes bill elliot is very lucky to not have his ass handed to him by my uncles 340 dart lmao!

[yak]

Originally Posted by camerjeff

Well I am not going to say I just ordered the best big 3 truck, but I ordered the best one for my personel needs (I Think). Last week I ordered an Echoboost F-150 Extended cab with an 8' Bed, 2wd. I do not tow as much as I used to, and Mostly use my Trucks for Transporting Bulky but not heavy loads for work, and the 4 or 5 times a year I tow my car trailer to the track.
My 97 Dodge has been a good truck that I have neglected the Maint on for the last 5 or 6 years, and now just doesn't justify the 2 to 3 grand of maint work it really needs.
The Rams eliminated themselves for me with the new Ext Cab design with the forward opening doors.
I just can't bring myself to buy a new Chevy, and the GMC's were about $5000.00 more than the Ford, get worse MPG, and I would have to get things like a leather interior, push Carpeting ect.... That I did not want or need.
I hope it is better than my last new F-150, the 1987 300 I-6 that was the worst new vehical I ever owned until it luckly had the ignition switch burn it to the ground 6 months after I bought it.

i have heard ford recommends no towing above 55mph with the ecoboost, i have heard of a few trans failures with guys towing including the one i was supposed to put a 5th wheel hitch into today... just a fyi

[yak]

Originally Posted by hurryinhoosier62

Brad,

Yak operates out of sheer ignorance. We just need to accept the FACT the he KNOWS IT ALL(or thinks he does). I sure Yak could teach Bob a thing or two about building world championship caliber engines.........yeah,RIGHT!!!!!

okay i forgot your the know it all engine machinist with ASS certification. i will be quiet now lmao