[aronhk_md]

crustysarge...we know you are angry. Nobody is saying its without good reasons. You have the right to be angry, and so does everyone else still owed headers or $.

You talk about any other vendor doing this or that. Most other vendors would have included the 2005-2006 orders in the bankruptcy Ron filed years ago. He didnt, because from the start his intention was to always make good on them. So most other vendors if they started up after a 5 year hiatus would have just assumed a new business name. I can name many businesses that are just a name with no man pictured behind the helm of the company, and here in Delaware the home builders purposefully put themselves out of business every 5 years or so after building several developments and open under new names just for the purpose of avoiding lawsuits as those homes get a few years under them. New name, fresh page.

Nah....he came back, told everyone he was Ron and wanted to try to fix what went wrong. All the excuses are real issues he has faced operating on an almost non-existent budget while he struggles to pay the bills for his family. None of you can hear the frustration in his voice when he is hours from finishing a set he promised to go out that day, 2 inches of welding on a collector left to do, and the welder stops working correctly.

Unfortunately he doesnt have a backup machine, nor does he have a nice Miller or the equivalent mig and tig welder. Those pretty nice welds you see on nicely done headers were SELF TAUGHT on a Harbor Freight welder. When something goes wrong on the bender he has nobody to turn to to help. And no $ to buy new parts. Same with every other piece of equipment. There IS NO $ cushion, and that man isnt eating steak. Neither is his family. I have NEVER after a year and a half knowing him heard him say he is going out to eat. EVERY time I do talk to him, whether its 9 am or 11 his time at night, Monday - Sunday.....he is working on headers or working to fix a problem. I tell him at times he needs to do something for himself and his family or they will lose their sanity.

Excuse us if EVERY old order header that goes out, while it may not be as frequent as anyone hoped, is treated like a victory. Because it is a victory. For him, and for every guy on this forum who thought he'd seen the last of his hard earned $ years ago.

Now, I know you dont give a rat's ass about Ron. You may not give a rat's ass about anyone else here. But guys like oldblueponcho who waited 5+ yrs, ramair3 and even guys like rcrta who I believe is going to be getting his VERY shortly.......every single one of them is glad to be getting theirs. And so will the rest.

They may not like Ron. They may not like the way he has handled things. But they are glad that he actually didnt turn out to be a crook. Crooks take your money and NEVER look back. Ron has never done that. Not even with the Ron Clark business. He feels he owes Ron Clark money. I dont even agree......Ron Clark invested money with him for a NON-controlling interest in the business, and then tried to shoot him in the foot. To me he doesnt owe Ron Clark a dime because Ron Clark never lived up to his end of the bargain. Just like the stock market.....sometimes you invest and lose, and in this case the loss was his own doing. Yes, I know you are watching the forum like the weasel you are Clark.....too bad you cant respond.

Anyway, it still takes orders to keep the doors open, and old orders are still rolling out. Personally I wish it were over. But I too like to see things through when I start them, if at all possible. Not to mention I'd really like to retain the Tri-y availability for all pontiac guys, myself included.

So all I can say is......I will keep trying for all of you as best I can. I get busy with my own life at times too. Ron has not given up and is continuing to work. None of us has forgotten there are people still waiting. None of us feel good about the mistakes made, the deadlines not met.

crustysarge.........if he had the money to pay back to you right now he would in a heartbeat........just to hear it all stop. But it just isnt so. You'll likely get a set of headers first. What you do with them at that point is your choice.

IF ANYONE WITHIN REACH OF THE WEST COAST HAS A NICE MILLER MIG OR TIG.......OR THE EQUIVALENT.......I WOULD BET RON WOULD BE ECSTATIC TO TRADE A FEW SETS OF BEAUTIFUL HEADERS FOR QUALITY EQUIPMENT.

[roadrage david]

Iventho i have had a weakness and los of faight at times as wel. i alway suport Ron . infact just got a tracking nr from him with headers on there way to my engine builder fo a engine for a frind of mine.... he is building them and sending them out not as fast as he ore anybody would like to see . but they are being build and send out.. Keep the faight!!!!!!! and do place new orders.............

[crustysarge]

Aron, you don't need te be his front man to me. He should have went under and this would not be a discussion.

I stand my ground, he knew he could not deliver but he gladly took my funds and there has been nothing but a string of excuses since then. In my book that is not an honest deal. I said it before, if he had told me it would be years away things would be different. He lied and continued to lie when he gave delivery times he knew he could not make.

He led me along to the point that I had no way to get my money back legally. I am the dumbass for not seeing that scam up front, shame on me.

Even he express shipped a set of gold plated headers I would never do business with him again and would tell others to do the same.

Please don't convolute the subject with "not giving a crap about anybody else here" when that is not the issue.

[tbunn]

Crusty, Everyone here understands your frustration. Some more than others and no one is trying to devalue the validity of your circumstance. But the facts are the facts as you have stated. The task at hand now is the best way to change that. As a group with a common goal (Tri-y headers available for our Pontiacs) I think you may find that there are few here who want to see this source dry up. You continue to ignore the fact that Ron is producing headers. Your defamatory remarks are self defeating as you know that the backlog cannot be cleared without new orders. I think you have gotten your monies worth on the harassing of potential new buyers. Give it a rest before Glenda the good witch drops a house on you and someone steals your ruby slippers.

[crustysarge]

I am not harassing anybody, if anything people are on me. I could care less if someone else sends cash to Ron, they just need to be informed he will not keep his word and excuses will follow.

I thought I was done with this sometime back but now I am madder than ever.

[roadrage david]

Look we all know Ron hase the bisenis skills of a grape , and yes he makes promisses he thinks he can make and proved not to be ABLE to.(thats where Aron stept in to help out and it works!!) that thussend make him a crook!!!. he is hounest and is sending out headers and damm good ones to.
acsept the fact that you cant do anything about it but b.tch and moan!. and you have done that more then any other B.tch on the planet. just waight for your turn to get your headers. keep moaning about it will not speed up your headers for dilivery ore your money back, but only delay yours and others as you scare of other intrested people........
so what the F..k is your goal!!. again you made your point. no sit and waight it out......

[Ducks Goat]

How come the new money coming in doesn't go to getting the oldest orders out first. Like a grocery store does when rotating it's stock, or a manufacturing plant uses FIFA, which stands for First In First Out. I find it a little odd that you guys that have been getting your headers are giving the advice of "wait it out" to those of use that have been waiting the longest, 6 1/2 years for myself. If I knew how to post up some of the PMs I've gotten over the past year or two you guys might would understand our frustration a little better. I been told 2 or 3 times that mine were built and on the way to the platers, then only to find out later that they weren't. The last PM I got the wife threatened to ship me a set of rusty headers if it was up to her.

[floffy]

This is discussed a milion of times, if Ron would use FIFA nobody would order anymore.
Nobody will send money upfront to know it will take a year or more to get headers so he uses FILA and we all know it's ****ed up but this is how it is. If money is left from building a new set he will use it to fill in an old set and everybody can complain and scare new buyers but in the end you only will bite your own ass cause it will take way longer to fill in the old sets.

@ Ron or Deanna, 4 people want to order 2 "primaries sets Charlie brengun, roadrage david, the guy from Switzerland and me ??? any news about building these sets???

Daan

[roadrage david]

Daan/floffy. i alredy orderd and paid up for mine!!, it just a waighting game now il know they will come.. another set that i orderd are under way to my engine builder . and i have a spear set of 1 3/4 inch primary sec gen / 1968/72 round ports. fore sale. at my engine builder . fore anyone to buy. i wil use that money to order another set of headers...

[crustysarge]

I have the right to complain all day if I want so back off. It is total BS that someone orders and others who have waited still wait. I know damned well now Ron will do whatever is in his head and I don't care. I have the right to inform others he lied and cheated me out of my money and has done the same to others. If other people have got theirs good for them.

If I posted some of his PM to me you would laugh your ass off, I think the guy is off his frickin' rocker or smokin' meth.

So how come you guys bitch about me complaning but are mute when Ron or his wife post sob stories about every little problem and how it holds them up? Answer that? In my business you suck it up and deliver the goods to your customer.

Now he needs to trade headers for a "quality welder"??? It never ends. And with me it never will until I see my cash or product.

So, if you don't like my pissin' and moanin' don't read this thread or my posts, simple.

[floffy]

Originally Posted by crustysarge

I have the right to complain all day if I want so back off. It is total BS that someone orders and others who have waited still wait. I know damned well now Ron will do whatever is in his head and I don't care. I have the right to inform others he lied and cheated me out of my money and has done the same to others. If other people have got theirs good for them.

If I posted some of his PM to me you would laugh your ass off, I think the guy is off his frickin' rocker or smokin' meth.

So how come you guys bitch about me complaning but are mute when Ron or his wife post sob stories about every little problem and how it holds them up? Answer that? In my business you suck it up and deliver the goods to your customer.

Now he needs to trade headers for a "quality welder"??? It never ends. And with me it never will until I see my cash or product.



So, if you don't like my pissin' and moanin' don't read this thread or my posts, simple.

Well personally i don't care if you'd get your set and you probably don't care either with all the stuff you post. Imo it's stupid to scare potentional custumors who need to provide the money to get your set build and yes everybody knows it's a crap business model but nobody can change that so if you're smart stop whining and wait, but that's just my opinion.

Daan

[tbunn]

Originally Posted by crustysarge

I have the right to complain all day if I want so back off. It is total BS that someone orders and others who have waited still wait. I know damned well now Ron will do whatever is in his head and I don't care. I have the right to inform others he lied and cheated me out of my money and has done the same to others. If other people have got theirs good for them.

If I posted some of his PM to me you would laugh your ass off, I think the guy is off his frickin' rocker or smokin' meth.

So how come you guys bitch about me complaning but are mute when Ron or his wife post sob stories about every little problem and how it holds them up? Answer that? In my business you suck it up and deliver the goods to your customer.

Now he needs to trade headers for a "quality welder"??? It never ends. And with me it never will until I see my cash or product.

So, if you don't like my pissin' and moanin' don't read this thread or my posts, simple.

Crusty, We are complaining about you because your diatribe is undermining the only thing in the works that will allow headers to be made. You are being un-reasonable, irrational, and intimidating to potential buyers for expressing an interest in a set of Tri-Y headers from Ron. Your posts are selfish, self-serving, and self-fulfilling your doom and gloom prophecy. I do not know what your business is but if complaining is in the job description you are a “Rock Star” at work. Hi-jacking this post with your constant drivel needs to end. We got it. You are unhappy. Now take your own advice and suck it up. Your right to complain is now infringing on my right and expectation that I can contribute to the Pontiac community in a positive manner through this forum. Please stop.

[Ducks Goat]

To all you guys that want us whiners to shut up I got a proposition for for you. Pay your money in and swap places in line for crustysarge, myself, or anyone else that's been owed forever. This would get rid of us or myself anyway for good on this subject. Any takers?

[floffy]

if you ordered a set of 2" with 3,5" collectors SS no problem so let me know.

Daan

[aronhk_md]

crustysarge...I am here for several reasons. All of which have been stated multiple times. Your purpose as stated to warn others has been done throughout this thread. Done, noted....not sure how anyone could miss it. But nobody says you cant continue. If you want to argue with the other guys here, go right ahead...makes for an unpleasant forum, but I cant stop you.

And I say that to you other guys too.....tbunn, roadrage david, everyone.......lets not argue with crustysarge, Ducks Goat, or anyone else. They do have a right to be unhappy. Going back and forth in a negative way will only have one consequence.....getting this thread locked, losing the ability to communicate about the tri-y's here and potentially losing future sales for Ron

Ducks Goat...I dont think you are whining. You are unhappy, and as I've said I understand that. Wish it wasnt so, but I fully understand why you guys are angry.

There is no specific business model here...unless you want to call it the "scrape together enough sales to pay all the bills and then build an old set of headers" business model. Just the way it is. As stated many times it takes AT LEAST 3 sets ordered to keep the doors open each month. After that it becomes more difficult regarding what comes next. Sometimes Ron has enough to build 2 old sets after meeting the bills. Sometimes its been zero because something has gone awry, or because new supplies need to be ordered.

THIS is the reason new sets have to stay on track and delivered on time...to keep orders rolling in. I stepped in to help make sure the delivery of these new sets happened. Without them, nobody gets anything and the doors close. The old orders take a backseat.....squeezed in at ANY possible moment. When Ron has an extra $100 it goes toward shipping someone's old order...or the materials required to make an old order set.






What many dont realize is it frustrates Ron like crazy to have to give priority to the new orders over the old. Drives him crazy in fact. We have had arguments over it because I see no other way. But its the only way to keep things moving.

Things moved ahead beautifully after the first person he hired got the hang of things. When that guy left for fedex suddenly and the next 2 people flaked after working brief periods of time, what little funds there had been for hiring someone had been exhausted. Result? A few extra sets got built and lots of time/money wasted.

Regardless, old order sets continue to go out.....slowly. Someday I want mine, and I want the ability to order more later.......so you'll all excuse me if I keep trying to make it happen.

[Ducks Goat]

Originally Posted by floffy

if you ordered a set of 2" with 3,5" collectors SS no problem so let me know.

Daan

I ordered a coated set of d ports for my '65. He isn't even making the SS ones anyway, is he?

[floffy]

From what i know he still wants too if he doesn't i'll take the mild steel round port 2"

Daan

[GTOLou]

Originally Posted by floffy

From what i know he still wants too if he doesn't i'll take the mild steel round port 2"

Daan

I don't think the 2" round ports are out yet??

[floffy]

Originally Posted by GTOLou

I don't think the 2" round ports are out yet??

That's right, still waiting.

Daan

[Charlie Brengun]

Originally Posted by floffy

@ Ron or Deanna, 4 people want to order 2 "primaries sets Charlie brengun, roadrage david, the guy from Switzerland and me ??? any news about building these sets???

Daan

I was looking for a set of SS headers, D-port 1 3/4 primaries but I have since bought a set of headers so just waiting for delivery now.