[twinturrbo406]

Originally Posted by Jim Zeek

when a cv head does what jack and jeff have done then come back and start your comparing. until then quit your damn whining. worse than a bunch of girls. unless you were the one who personally spoke to Gaby or someone at his shop don't go throwing numbers around you heard second hand.

... well Jim, i'm sorry you feel that way, but we aren't the ones starting all this comparing, or whining as you put it, if they leave us alone, well then we'll leave them alone, this is just us retorting to them, plain and simple ...

... when a CV head does what they have done ?? really ?? ok, how bout this, when the first set of complete CV-1's ever breaks $12K+, i'll be sure to let you know when that happens, how's that ?? ...

... as for 2nd hand info ?? um, that is all those guys repeat, and have repeated for years now, so its ok for them to do it, but not me ?? ... whatever ...

... and lastly, i dont need, nor' did i ask for your instructions on how to handle this issue, but thanks anyways Jim, have a nice day ...

[slowbird]

Raise your hands if you have built or funded a 1,000+hp Pontiac, if you have then you know what it cost if you haven't your just guessing.

[bpenrod]

Originally Posted by Jim Zeek

when a cv head does what jack and jeff have done then come back and start your comparing. until then quit your damn whining. worse than a bunch of girls. unless you were the one who personally spoke to Gaby or someone at his shop don't go throwing numbers around you heard second hand.

Hear, Hear

[Tom Vaught]

Notice Mr Zeek how it is always the ECM who started it, supposedly.

Tom Vaught

[Tom Vaught]

Isn't Building your Pontiac engine really all about working with friends/ contacts, connections to save money on different cost to the project? Not bragging about how big Richard was when it went up your ...? Or being jealous of what the other guy paid?

Unless you are trying to justify your high dollar charges by saying "that is what the market cost is to build a 1000 hp Pontiac engine".

Tom Vaught

[GREATGTO]

Originally Posted by Tom Vaught

Isn't Building your Pontiac engine really all about working with friends/ contacts, connections to save money on different cost to the project? Not bragging about how big Richard was when it went up your ...? Or being jealous of what the other guy paid?

Unless you are trying to justify your high dollar charges by saying "that is what the market cost is to build a 1000 hp Pontiac engine".

Tom Vaught

You are correct, hell I'm just going to start buying the old parts from slowbirds engines, he blows up a 1000hp engine every year without much wear or runs on the components.

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by GREATGTO

You are correct, hell I'm just going to start buying the old parts from slowbirds engines, he blows up a 1000hp engine every year without much wear or runs on the components.

Can't think of one engine I have ever blown up. But you would be better off buying my used parts than hoping for your engine guy to order the correct ones for you. You'll know you have parts that can make power and not just hope they can.

[GREATGTO]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Can't think of one engine I have ever blown up. But you would be better off buying my used parts than hoping for your engine guy to order the correct ones for you. You'll know you have parts that can make power and not just hope they can.

You must just take them apart every year for fun then, thats even better. I'll wait until you run low 8's NA because I need parts that can run 8 seconds, not parts that only last 8 seconds.

[twinturrbo406]

Originally Posted by slowbird

...than hoping for your engine guy to order the correct ones for you. You'll know you have parts that can make power and not just hope they can.

... ok Brian, how bout' keepin' things to the facts ok ?? ... you are making assumptions now ...

... GreatGTO is just trying to get a rise out you guys ...

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by twinturrbo406

... ok Brian, how bout' keepin' things to the facts ok ?? ... you are making assumptions now ...

... GreatGTO is just trying to get a rise out you guys ...

Guess you missed the at the end of the post. It was meant as a fun jab just like his was at me.

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by GREATGTO

You are correct, hell I'm just going to start buying the old parts from slowbirds engines, he blows up a 1000hp engine every year without much wear or runs on the components.

You would do well to do that...just sayin

[GREATGTO]

Originally Posted by mike leech

You would do well to do that...just sayin

Honestly I cant afford Dan Barton or Gaby heads, 7k for porting is too much for me, Im more of a 1,500 dollar cnc porting kinda guy.

[LiL Jack]

Bill, does this $12k port job just for the head port work only or for Titanium intake and exhaust valves,Jesel rockers, Nextec springs, Victor intake,porting the intake. Because there is well over $5k in parts alone and I am sure there is a bit more also that I forgot.

[twinturrbo406]

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

Bill, does this $12k port job just for the head port work only or for Titanium intake and exhaust valves,Jesel rockers, Nextec springs, Victor intake,porting the intake. Because there is well over $5k in parts alone and I am sure there is a bit more also that I forgot.

... what part of (Well Over $12K) to duplicate the heads dont you understand ?? ... if you have detail questions like that, i suggest you ask the man that made the quote ...

... all i've done is expose that what it costs to get them duplicated, and those are Gaby's words, not mine ...

... are there parts in the quote ?? i would certainly hope so, but that is not the point here Jack, you guys have been parading around like the heads you guys have are borderline junk, remember ??? ...

... or are you choosing to forget that part ??? ... honestly, i really dont care how much of it is parts, or how much of it is porting, (Well Over $12K) to duplicate is all i'm trying to say, you guys break it down how ever you like, i didnt make the quote, Gaby did ...

... but the "Redirect" you and everyone else is trying to perform here, is hilarious, because you and Jeff have been touting, misleading, or insinuating that your heads are junk, and its funny to you guys that you think the CV-1 cant reach that level of performance ?? ...

... all i'm "Just Sayin" is it costs (Well Over $12K) to duplicate Jack, lol, man that sure is some pretty pricey junk (as you guys describe them) you guys got there now isn't it ?? ...

... but that is the real point here, now isn't it Jack, i dont think they are junk at all, in fact IMO, i think you guys have been lying all along about the level of work actually done to those heads, and i think (Well Over $12K) to duplicate them proves it !!! lol, regardless of what questions you want to ask, or how much of it is parts or how much of it is porting, who cares ?? it costs (Well Over $12K) to duplicate them, and that's not taking the cost of the castings into it either ...

... so you can get how ever many of your friends/supporters you want to come in here and redirect, but it will not change the fact it costs (Well Over $12K) to duplicate ...

... you guys can get pissed at me all you want, but you know what i'm stating here is dead balls on the money, i didn't make the Quote to duplicate Jeff's or Jack's heads, Gaby did ...

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by twinturrbo406

... what part of (Well Over $12K) to duplicate the heads dont you understand ?? ... if you have detail questions like that, i suggest you ask the man that made the quote ...

... all i've done is expose that what it costs to get them duplicated, and those are Gaby's words, not mine ...

... are there parts in the quote ?? i would certainly hope so, but that is not the point here Jack, you guys have been parading around like the heads you guys have are borderline junk, remember ??? ...

... or are you choosing to forget that part ??? ... honestly, i really dont care how much of it is parts, or how much of it is porting, (Well Over $12K) to duplicate is all i'm trying to say, you guys break it down how ever you like, i didnt make the quote, Gaby did ...

... but the "Redirect" you and everyone else is trying to perform here, is hilarious, because you and Jeff have been touting, misleading, or insinuating that your heads are junk, and its funny to you guys that you think the CV-1 cant reach that level of performance ?? ...

... all i'm "Just Sayin" is it costs (Well Over $12K) to duplicate Jack, lol, man that sure is some pretty pricey junk (as you guys describe them) you guys got there now isn't it ?? ...

... but that is the real point here, now isn't it Jack, i dont think they are junk at all, in fact IMO, i think you guys have been lying all along about the level of work actually done to those heads, and i think (Well Over $12K) to duplicate them proves it !!! lol, regardless of what questions you want to ask, or how much of it is parts or how much of it is porting, who cares ?? it costs (Well Over $12K) to duplicate them, and that's not taking the cost of the castings into it either ...

... so you can get how ever many of your friends/supporters you want to come in here and redirect, but it will not change the fact it costs (Well Over $12K) to duplicate ...

... you guys can get pissed at me all you want, but you know what i'm stating here is dead balls on the money, i didn't make the Quote to duplicate Jeff's or Jack's heads, Gaby did ...

So what was all in the quote if you know so much about it?

[GREATGTO]

I thought cv1's were supposed to cost more than inline heads because you have to buy new valve covers, thats what guys used to say, now you're saying 12k is reasonable for a fully ported set of eheads with induction pakage and all required components.

[slowbird]

Bill I asked this a while ago, just what kind of work do you think Lil Jack, Kinsler and Gaby have been hiding or lying about (according to your last post). If you know what has been done why not just say what you believe has been done to them?

[twinturrbo406]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Bill I asked this a while ago, just what kind of work do you think Lil Jack, Kinsler and Gaby have been hiding or lying about (according to your last post). If you know what has been done why not just say what you believe has been done to them?

... that is also completely irrelevent, i just know the man that made them said it costs ...

(Well Over $12K) to Duplicate

[GREATGTO]

Bottom line is Robin will run in the 7's and his induction package does not cost 12k to duplicate, must be because of those state of the art canted valve heads that cost less than junk eheads to get there.

[twinturrbo406]

Originally Posted by GREATGTO

Bottom line is Robin will run in the 7's and his induction package does not cost 12k to duplicate, must be because of those state of the art canted valve heads that cost less than junk eheads to get there.

... it is very interesting to see how these people can run around and make what ever comments they want, about me, the CV-1's, or my lack of experience, or the 2,500 ports, or blah blah blah, but when i start releasing FACTS about their program, all of the sudden we are a bunch of whining women ?? ...

... now that doesn't seem fair at all ...

... how bout', maybe those guys should've have shut their traps a long time ago, and we wouldn't be here right now, now would we ?? ...

... not saying they started all this mess, no, (while they were certainly involved back then), they are doing a terrific job dragging it on though aren't they ?? ...

... but i'm sure some smart person in here will try to convince me that this is all my fault, lol ...