[GREATGTO]

Originally Posted by 60man

Why waste time with the East Coast Morons ?


Rut-row..

Well 60, they are the ones who love acronyms, so I posted what ECM means to me-EAST COAST MORONS.

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by 65nss4spdGTO

According to Jack, he is the only car that can run 7's at 3300lbs.

Sorry, I mean LiLjack.

Calvin Hill
Hill Performance
708-250-7420

No. Nobody has yet.

[LiL Jack]

[QUOTE=GREATGTO;4819325]I haven't put pressure on anyone, the whole Langer deal was before Bill was even involved with my engine other than building it at that time. Not to the extent it is now.
I said I WAS WILLING TO BUILD, my own car to race Langer, the camaro is not my car. This is when Bill said he would like to run my engine , back when he had the 63 lemans. I used to have an Art Morisson full chassis ready to go but I decided to stay with a street car and the chassis was sold, this happen the first year cv1's were released, so my plans were to build a real street car not a race car before any of this crap started. If I had continued to build my 68 gto race car it probably would have been done by now.
M
Im sure Bill will race anyone that wants a race, including Langer, but it has nothing to do with me other than he is using my short block. After he is done with my engine the compression will be dropped along with a whole new top end for street use.

If the question is do I believe he can beat Langer? YES! Bill said it would be a good race, period, no guarantee of a win or anything like. Racing Langer would be the fastest way to quiet everyone down, because if he beat Langer or even came close it pretty much would mean he just beat everyone slower than Langer, that would be all you guys!!!

Why waste time with the East Coast Morons ?[/QUOTE


You or Bill do not have the slightest phucking clue of what it takes to have the caliber of racing operation that Langer does!

All you two are is a bunch of keyboard jockeys that talk the talk, but can't walk the walk!

[GREATGTO]

What operation do we need its just 1 race, lol what a DS, No one said we were going on a racing tour. If Bill decides to join a race division of some sort down the road thats his deal, Im sure it will be with a different engine. Langer needs one of your $11,900 engines and a bottle to lower his ''OPERATION'' costs.

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by twinturrbo406

... and i know this is not what i'd call a fair race, but it's all i got Mike, and we're close to $40,000 on this car and its engine, and counting, so have you dropped that kinda' coin on your car this year Mike ?? Maybe so, i dont know, but we are doing the best we can ... what do you want me to do, rob a bank ?? ...

What happened to cv1 horsepower is cheap??? I thought you guys were mr budget????

Like i said I'll run ya if thats where you want to go, I think johns your huckleberry.....And a better match. But since you guys just won't race without some ridiculous advantage I'll give you the 75 i guess it is cu,and daren morgan double throwdown help, just so we all can finally see somebody race if your to chicken to face john...With john you really will have a 90 ci advantage.

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by GREATGTO

I haven't put pressure on anyone, the whole Langer deal was before Bill was even involved with my engine other than building it at that time. Not to the extent it is now.
I said I WAS WILLING TO BUILD, my own car to race Langer, the camaro is not my car. This is when Bill said he would like to run my engine , back when he had the 63 lemans. I used to have an Art Morisson full chassis ready to go but I decided to stay with a street car and the chassis was sold, this happen the first year cv1's were released, so my plans were to build a real street car not a race car before any of this crap started. If I had continued to build my 68 gto race car it probably would have been done by now.

Im sure Bill will race anyone that wants a race, including Langer, but it has nothing to do with me other than he is using my short block. After he is done with my engine the compression will be dropped along with a whole new top end for street use.

If the question is do I believe he can beat Langer? YES! Bill said it would be a good race, period, no guarantee of a win or anything like. Racing Langer would be the fastest way to quiet everyone down, because if he beat Langer or even came close it pretty much would mean he just beat everyone slower than Langer, that would be all you guys!!!

Why waste time with the East Coast Morons ?

Yes it would be all us guys....I GOT MY SPOON!

[Jeff Kinsler]

Originally Posted by twinturrbo406

... but hey, what do you have to worry about Mike, i'm runnin' the POS CVWhat heads remember ?? ... you aint got nothing to be worried about, lol ...

you are putting every effort you can to make this motor fast. thats why its taking so long to build it. your leaving no stone unturned. which is great... this is truly a MAX effort piece.. I would not be happy building a max effort 572 motor and say I beat kinslers car.there are plenty of cars faster than my junk... Like greatgto said you should be with Langer,John Snyder,Dwight and those fast NA guys. that would prove how good the head really is.. and if you do beat those guys or run the same times as them then NO ONE can ever say the heads are junk or cant make power.. end of story..

[GTOGEORGE]

GTO George

[bad69bird]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kinsler

you are putting every effort you can to make this motor fast. thats why its taking so long to build it. your leaving no stone unturned. which is great... this is truly a MAX effort piece.. I would not be happy building a max effort 572 motor and say I beat kinslers car.there are plenty of cars faster than my junk... Like greatgto said you should be with Langer,John Snyder,Dwight and those fast NA guys. that would prove how good the head really is.. and if you do beat those guys or run the same times as them then NO ONE can ever say the heads are junk or cant make power.. end of story..

Well stated...

[Jeff Kinsler]

Originally Posted by mike leech

What happened to cv1 horsepower is cheap??? I thought you guys were mr budget????

Like i said I'll run ya if thats where you want to go, I think johns your huckleberry.....And a better match. But since you guys just won't race without some ridiculous advantage I'll give you the 75 i guess it is cu,and DAREN MORGAN DOUBLE THROWDOWN HELP, just so we all can finally see somebody race if your to chicken to face john...With john you really will have a 90 ci advantage.

OH SNAP!!!

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kinsler

you are putting every effort you can to make this motor fast. thats why its taking so long to build it. your leaving no stone unturned. which is great... this is truly a MAX effort piece.. I would not be happy building a max effort 572 motor and say I beat kinslers car.there are plenty of cars faster than my junk... Like greatgto said you should be with Langer,John Snyder,Dwight and those fast NA guys. that would prove how good the head really is.. and if you do beat those guys or run the same times as them then NO ONE can ever say the heads are junk or cant make power.. end of story..

Very well put. And to be honest those names listed are a LOT close in cid than anyone else and would be much more of an even match up.

[cgeise]

I predict that in 2013 -- I need more butter for my popcorn

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by cgeise

I predict that in 2013 -- I need more butter for my popcorn

I predict that you will need more for watching the computer debacle than you will for watching cars race. Last year we heard the same thing from their camp. Not one of em had sheet to say at norwalk when it was time. Badgto would have raced but hurt his stuff...I'll take a rain check on that to if he wants....the rest was all hot air.

john ran jeff
i ran jeff
the rest ran their mouths....just sayin

[R 70 Judge]

Originally Posted by twinturrbo406

... and i know this is not what i'd call a fair race, but it's all i got Mike, and we're close to $40,000 on this car and its engine, and counting, so have you dropped that kinda' coin on your car this year Mike ?? Maybe so, i dont know, but we are doing the best we can ... what do you want me to do, rob a bank

Good thing you gave up on the '63 Tempest project because I have more than that in my car and it's still sitting in the garage.

Originally Posted by GREATGTO

Im sure Bill will race anyone that wants a race, including Langer, but it has nothing to do with me other than he is using my short block. After he is done with my engine the compression will be dropped along with a whole new top end for street use.

With all if the nasty comments you've made about people's chit blowing up you better pray that karma doesn't make a special appearance just for you.

Who is assembling your engine? Just wondering

[Wareagle]

Originally Posted by GREATGTO

Its been explained 100 times why he got 3 sets but you forget easy I guess.

Yes we need more different kinds of Pontiac heads - good on ya CV1 Guys .
I Like this vid .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIQwddY_pbI

[Jeff Kinsler]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Very well put. And to be honest those names listed are a LOT close in cid than anyone else and would be much more of an even match up.

Langer is the closest. both max effort pieces. that will be a great race.

[Jeff Kinsler]

Originally Posted by GREATGTO

Well 60, they are the ones who love acronyms, so I posted what ECM means to me-EAST COAST MORONS.

damn, glad you could come up with that one... took alot of brain cells.. LMAO.

[GREATGTO]

Originally Posted by R 70 Judge

Good thing you gave up on the '63 Tempest project because I have more than that in my car and it's still sitting in the garage.



With all if the nasty comments you've made about people's chit blowing up you better pray that karma doesn't make a special appearance just for you.

Who is assembling your engine? Just wondering

I only made that prediction for Jack because of his cv1's go boom comments, but anyway it wouldn't be the first time a prediction came true, I think it was made the last time he blew it up but the prediction wasn't made in public. As far as my engine blowing up anything is possible, I wont cry and neither would Bill, we are man enough to handle it and move on. Wont hurt our feelings one bit, we would fully expect everyone to attack if it did blow up.

I said it once and I'll say it again, the 572 is not our ideal engine to build for racing, it was stuff I already had for a low rpm street engine. The crank is very heavy and the bore is small. Lets face it, the cv1 is still on the small side for a 572 ci. Do the calculations yourself, the piston speed gets crazy with a 4.750 stroke, requires a lot of cylinder head
Getting ci from stroke without bore being able to follow is not the best way to make a race engine but we are limited in bore with pontiac so it is what it is.

Id much rather race you guys with a short deck pontiac with cv1 or cv2's, this is the future as far as I'm concerned.
There is a reason why most ehead builds are in the 500 ci range, its because the heads are less and less optimal csa and valve to bore /stroke ratio wise the bigger the engine gets the heads are less effective.
How many 540 ci or bigger eheads builds are making over 1000 hp? I dont know of any, not saying they don't exist thats why I'm asking the question.
Traditionally with other makes like ford and chevy yes its easy to make big power with big ci engines, id say thats not true with pontiacs because of the bore limitations. Thats why smaller engines 500 ci make good power with pontiac, because thats the sweet spot for the bore and cylinder head limitations.
A short stroke engine will perform better than a larger stoke engine with the same cylinder head, the longer stoke just makes a poor performing cylinder heads problems magnify as to where it is a lot less with a smaller engine because the cylinder head demand is not there obviously.

[twinturrbo406]

Originally Posted by john marcella

Bill,

I thought you and i were going to line up when you get it done?

No points to be made or agendas. Just fun

2013 Norwalk NA any weight/ run what ya brung!!!!!!!!! ??????

I need a race because I KNOW KINSLER IS GOING TO PUNK OUT ON OUR LAST RACE

... oh yeah, i thought you were selling the motor ?? ... but heck yeah, i guess you and Mike will have draw straws to see who i race first, i dunno' what to do now ?? ...

[GREATGTO]

I predict you will make both of them your bitch Bill, no pressure though lol, this is all in fun for us anyway, win lose or draw, we are street car guys remember. It wont look good if you beat pros like these guys being a knuckle dragger non racer like yourself now would it.