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Old 12-09-2013, 01:20 PM
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Default Expresso Brown Judge on Ebay

Do you guys see anything "interesting" in the pictures?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pontiac-GTO-...US_Cars_Trucks

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Old 12-09-2013, 01:28 PM
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Old 12-09-2013, 02:07 PM
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That Judge was owned by some one on PY?

The ad writing looks like the same as another ebay ad that was talked about here recently.
(in 70-73 Firebird I think)



Just checked, it was 10 years ago?



danlevinson was the PY'er.


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Old 12-09-2013, 02:33 PM
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Ditto. I thought this was gang stamped.

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Old 12-09-2013, 02:39 PM
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They were usually lot smaller stamps also.

Plus the 1st digit should be a '2' and not '7'


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Old 12-09-2013, 02:43 PM
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whoever re-stamped it just took the last nine of the actual vin# as opposed to the correct partial vin stamp numbers

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Old 12-09-2013, 03:35 PM
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hopefully, the information here will find its way to those bidding on the car. I hate seeing people get ripped off.


From the auction's Q & A section...

"The block is the original and Varified (not a restamp)"

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Old 12-09-2013, 05:15 PM
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varified...varies from one restamp to another

verified..a professional has observed and has determined its correct....

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Old 12-09-2013, 07:22 PM
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I'm surprised that no one here noticed it's in the wrong spot too. California built Pontiac engines have the vin stamp up close to where the head bolts up on th passenger side. Never down by the timing chain period.

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Old 12-09-2013, 08:10 PM
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I'm surprised that no one here noticed it's in the wrong spot too. California built Pontiac engines have the vin stamp up close to where the head bolts up on th passenger side. Never down by the timing chain period.
im curious, different plants stamped the block in different places.

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Old 12-09-2013, 08:28 PM
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im curious, different plants stamped the block in different places.
Only in California (Freemont - Z) did they deviate from the normal VIN stamp location.

I think Teslas are built in that plant now.

http://images.hemmings.com/wp-conten...nt_resized.jpg


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Old 12-09-2013, 08:35 PM
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what can a person do after they buy the car then find out its a restamp?

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Old 12-09-2013, 08:43 PM
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law suit....especially when they say its been varified...hes representing it as the original motr..he lied..and sure he knows...people are not that un-eduated anymore..he found his way to ebay..he can find the truth about the engine...

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Old 12-09-2013, 08:53 PM
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what can a person do after they buy the car then find out its a restamp?
You would have a nightmare on your hands. As marxjunk said, lawsuit.
1) Hire lawyer
2) get (hire) expert witnesses to testify the block is fake
3) prove that the seller's intention was to defraud you
4) get (hire) and expert witness to explain to and convince a judge that a few numbers on a piece of metal make difference in a car's value
5) if you get a settlement in your favor, hope you get paid

.... you get the idea. You're screwed.

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Old 12-09-2013, 09:20 PM
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I bet when somebody buys this car and find out out its a restamp. they will sell it to somebody else. and not bother with the the law suit just pass the buck

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Old 12-09-2013, 10:25 PM
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Only in California (Freemont - Z) did they deviate from the normal VIN stamp location.

I think Teslas are built in that plant now.

http://images.hemmings.com/wp-conten...nt_resized.jpg
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I'm surprised that no one here noticed it's in the wrong spot too. California built Pontiac engines have the vin stamp up close to where the head bolts up on th passenger side. Never down by the timing chain period.

WOW,,,, couldnt be happier right now. Where my VIN was stamped on the block and the way it was stamped didnt look right. It was a little suspect. It looked like it was done under a shadetree. But the price was right, even if it was a date matching motor, not numbers matching. Just did a extensive search on Fremont cars. My VIN stamp is no different from any other Fremont car. Turns out it is a numbers matching car. thanks Bermuda Blue, Ram4king

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Old 12-09-2013, 10:27 PM
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Only in California (Freemont - Z) did they deviate from the normal VIN stamp location.

I think Teslas are built in that plant now.

http://images.hemmings.com/wp-conten...nt_resized.jpg

In addition to Fremont plant, Arlington also stamped some vins up high near the EUN number.
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Auction stopped....

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Old 12-10-2013, 10:02 AM
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The seller relisted it. He's still stating matching numbers.

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Old 12-10-2013, 12:51 PM
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In addition to Fremont plant, Arlington also stamped some vins up high near the EUN number.
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Did not know that. Thanks for the information.

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