[GOAT WHORE]

Originally Posted by Bill Eveland

Harry, any speculation of testing if you would have used a qjet on the oe manifold than used an adapter to mount it to the square bore intake? Thanks

Originally Posted by harry k

cfm is cfm, whatever cfm you elect to use @ WOT not matter what carb it is or has been used, the power outcome@peak rpm will be the same.

Originally Posted by harry k

usually i don't rationalise with someone uses the name "WHORE"
but i ll make it clear in this case
keyword here "acording to the parts you use" yes i used high rise aluminum intake manifold which benifited the engine.NOT A MODIFIED CAST IRON INTAKE MANIFOLD THAT REQUIRES TO RUN Q-JET AND ASSOCIATED FUEL DELIVERY SYSTEM TO SUPPLEMENT A SMALL BOWL CARB THAT NEEDS ALL THE HELP IN THE WORLD TO MAKE THEM WORK TO SIMPLY MEET A HOLLEY OR EDELBROCK CARB PERFORMANCE!!!!

Bill asked a question pertaining to two different combos and your respomce was that it did not matter, that they would both have the same power outcome. Really
Let me ask you this, why did your high rise manifold make more power over the stock intake? Could it have anything to do with airflow? More cfm? A better match of parts? By your logic there should have not been any difference in power.
I realise that you can swap parts with no power gains but the whole point of this thread was to show that there was a gain.
And by the way, how often do you get the chance to rationalize with someone that has Whore in there name

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by harry k

cfm is cfm, whatever cfm you elect to use @ WOT not matter what carb it is or has been used, the power outcome@peak rpm will be the same.

Not if the manifold vacuum measured at WOT at peak power is different.

Stan

[harry k]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Not if the manifold vacuum measured at WOT at peak power is different.

Stan

Stan
i have used the 5"dia. vacuum gauge where i have gave up on it anymore,
How many times on wot dyno pulls or track passes you been able to see or barely get to defrentiate the difference ? the increments are so small and it wiggles so much on the engines were measuring (specifically within 600cfm range carbs used) you barely get to measure anything if you want to become sceintific.Thanks for listening.

[Bill Eveland]

The whole point of your thread was to show the power increase in an "apples to apples" test by your standards by switching intake manifolds. Now how can it not be by using a differant carb for testing and flipping around the scenario with the spacers and still swapping out intakes? Maybe that can be round #3 .

Originally Posted by harry k

cfm is cfm, whatever cfm you elect to use @ WOT not matter what carb it is or has been used, the power outcome@peak rpm will be the same.

[harry k]

Originally Posted by Bill Eveland

The whole point of your thread was to show the power increase in an "apples to apples" test by your standards by switching intake manifolds. Now how can it not be by using a differant carb for testing and flipping around the scenario with the spacers and still swapping out intakes? Maybe that can be round #3 .

Bill
I can easily get the customer back in and remove the E carb and throw a Q-jet on and test it or remove the high rise intake install cast iron pos intake back on and install Q-jet if you are curious what would the results will be for round #3 if that what you're implying, BUT the main thing would be here is the critiques will still cry at this point further again cause the Q-jet isnt built to a one book standards......OR and create further critisim in any nature.

Rest assured that i will post something else further down the road as has been very appreciated by most forum members for my time & testing and we"ll see if history does't repeats itself.

[NeighborsComplaint]

Originally Posted by harry k

Bill
I can easily get the customer back in and remove the E carb and throw a Q-jet on and test it or remove the high rise intake install cast iron pos intake back on and install Q-jet if you are curious what would the results will be for round #3 if that what you're implying, BUT the main thing would be here is the critiques will still cry at this point further again cause the Q-jet isnt built to a one book standards......OR and create further critisim in any nature.

Rest assured that i will post something else further down the road as has been very appreciated by most forum members for my time & testing and we"ll see if history does't repeats itself.

It won't. This would be a real controlled experiment or an "apples to apples" comparison, if you prefer. If you are comparing the relative performace of 2 intakes, the only thing you change are the intakes. The only deviation you might dial in is if you optimized the tune for each setup (jetting for optimal A/F mixture and timing for best HP/TQ).

Sure you may get some comments like "Wow, that motor is pretty low/high on HP or TQ" relative to my on motor, experince, etc., but no one can dispute the gain or loss relative to the baseline if you changed nothing else.

[Bill Eveland]

Well without any baseline test with matched componets , to me this is about the hp lost not gained

Originally Posted by harry k

Bill
I can easily get the customer back in and remove the E carb and throw a Q-jet on and test it or remove the high rise intake install cast iron pos intake back on and install Q-jet if you are curious what would the results will be for round #3 if that what you're implying, BUT the main thing would be here is the critiques will still cry at this point further again cause the Q-jet isnt built to a one book standards......OR and create further critisim in any nature.

Rest assured that i will post something else further down the road as has been very appreciated by most forum members for my time & testing and we"ll see if history does't repeats itself.

[nachomax]

I tried messaging my intake, but it didn't reply back

Back on topic -- I suppose that the customer didn't have a Q-Jet, nor a year to wait for one to be prepared. The easiest and quickest way to gain horsepower was to change intakes, isn't that what happened? Maybe could have picked up a Q-Jet from Jegs, Summit, or your favorite speed parts store, and if the results would have less than the crosswind/carter, then someone would have still be unhappy (but not the customer) about the results.

[jonmachota78]

Originally Posted by nachomax

Maybe could have picked up a Q-Jet from Jegs, Summit, or your favorite speed parts store, and if the results would have less than the crosswind/carter, then someone would have still be unhappy (but not the customer) about the results.

True true, but then we could be unhappy about the components themselves rather than a mismatch of components. :

[Dragncar]

It simply was not a apples to apples test in any way shape or form. Do not care what some customer thought. Just because he was "happy" does not mean anything to tell you the truth. What does he know really.
This is hot rodding 101 stuff. I learned this in 1980 when I was 15 and we were building a 307 for my brothers first rig (69 CK10 1/2 ton) Dad rebuilt the engine with a factory "Corvette" cam and a factory iron Q jet intake. Since my uncle worked at Carter he got us a 625 AFB. Never ran right until we figured out Q jets were not "Quadrajunk" as people called them. Put the Q jet on and it ran WAY better vs the Carter and adapter plate.
And since this test is EXACTLY in Cliffs wheelhouse I will take his word as gospel on the subject.He has spent far more time doing tests and "proving" them than anyone on here.
And I am not some "newbie" as I build my own Holley carbs from scratch and have done more than one back to back manifold/carb test at the track in my 69GTO drag car with the track as my dyno.
Unless that iron intake was modified to take a 4150( not easy but can be done,cast iron work sucks) or a different 2 plane intake with both bolt patterns the test just meant a 4150 primary JAMMED through a stock Q jet opening will not run as well as a intake with a original 4150 bolt pattern. REALLY, who would have thought that ?

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

It simply was not a apples to apples test in any way shape or form. Do not care what some customer thought. Just because he was "happy" does not mean anything to tell you the truth. What does he know really.
This is hot rodding 101 stuff. I learned this in 1980 when I was 15 and we were building a 307 for my brothers first rig (69 CK10 1/2 ton) Dad rebuilt the engine with a factory "Corvette" cam and a factory iron Q jet intake. Since my uncle worked at Carter he got us a 625 AFB. Never ran right until we figured out Q jets were not "Quadrajunk" as people called them. Put the Q jet on and it ran WAY better vs the Carter and adapter plate.
And since this test is EXACTLY in Cliffs wheelhouse I will take his word as gospel on the subject.He has spent far more time doing tests and "proving" them than anyone on here.
And I am not some "newbie" as I build my own Holley carbs from scratch and have done more than one back to back manifold/carb test at the track in my 69GTO drag car with the track as my dyno.
Unless that iron intake was modified to take a 4150( not easy but can be done,cast iron work sucks) or a different 2 plane intake with both bolt patterns the test just meant a 4150 primary JAMMED through a stock Q jet opening will not run as well as a intake with a original 4150 bolt pattern. REALLY, who would have thought that ?

It was his car and his parts. So then that is all that matters. He came in with parts to see which was better. It would be a different story if he was asking about what should he do.

Stan

[SergeF]

Harry, good numbers! That chevy is moving. I found a good use for heavy intake and QJET. Best wheel chock set up yet and no spacer on this one. You know, a perfect match!

[GOAT WHORE]

Originally Posted by SergeF

Harry, good numbers! That chevy is moving. I found a good use for heavy intake and QJET. Best wheel chock set up yet and no spacer on this one. You know, a perfect match!

Serg, that's some funny chit right there!
Willing to bet if you did not show the "chock" in a picture most would not have got it.

[gtofreek]

Originally Posted by SergeF

Harry, good numbers! That chevy is moving. I found a good use for heavy intake and QJET. Best wheel chock set up yet and no spacer on this one. You know, a perfect match!

What are you doing using that dual snorkle air cleaner as a wheel chalk?

[Mikes455Wagon]

So let me see if I get the short version of this....

Edelbrock carb on stock intake...sucks

Qjet on stock intake....good

Edelbrock carb on square flange intake...good

Qjet with some adapters may be acceptable on square flange intakes

While Cliff and I have differed on opinions on some things in the past, I firmly believe he has the Qjet stuff figured out to an exact science. When he saw the edelbrock carb going onto a spreadbore intake, he already new what was gonna happen with the parts involved.

So, I am confused as why anyone would get upset about any of this. It looks like this all is just showing what most of us already know. If your parts don't compliment each other, you have a giant Turd. 260@ .050 duration cams don't belong in street cars with 2.73 gears and stock converters either. To each their own I guess.

[harry k]

As i said earlier: we will have critiques and on top of it some to tell me what to do(its like my 1st time in rodeo
further In order to satisfy some, we need few UNBIASED witnesses to be around.

[Half-Inch Stud]

Originally Posted by harry k

As i said earlier:...In order to satisfy some, we need few UNBIASED witnesses to be around.

I'll be your huckleberry. HIS

[sts]

Your dyno graphs are gone. How can unbiased people engage in an intelligent conversation when they cannot see the comparisons?

Is there any that you can repost them?

[goatless]

Harry- straight up, unbiased question for you.
Do you believe that running the Edelbrock carb into the factory iron intake is an efficient set up?

[goatless]

Originally Posted by goatless

Harry- straight up, unbiased question for you.
Do you believe that running the Edelbrock carb into the factory iron intake is an efficient set up?

Did you miss my question? It is a simple yes or no question.