[johnta1]

WOW!

That is a 455 HO with round port heads and HO intake.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Are you guys talking about the 69 Bird in Kansas for 15.5k with 350 and 4spd ?
It shows chrome valve covers and red plug wires
.... I can't determine which car it is with the discovered 455HoHoHo

[thews]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

Are you guys talking about the 69 Bird in Kansas for 15.5k with 350 and 4spd ?
It shows chrome valve covers and red plug wires
.... I can't determine which car it is with the discovered 455HoHoHo

This one. I agree the pic on the car is chrome valve covers. Good catch, because the pics he sent me looked like the original unmolested covers. Maybe he switched them thinking it would look cool? I dunno? If anyone lives in Kansas that would be worth a 20 min drive. Worth noting is they listed this as a 454. I'm the one who told him it was a Pontiac engine. One more thing, can anyone here pull the PHS to see how rare this car is/was or whether it exists still? If it's a GTO, what are the odds it's a Judge's engine?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/11563839565...Bk9SR6L1qoyhYQ

[johnta1]

1971 LeMans Convertible


PHS







Show it was on ebay in 2011.
Anyone buy this back then?
Know where the engine is.

[johnta1]

Come to think of it, this car might have belong to someone here back in 2007 or so?

[north]

Based on my comments above about VIN and EUN I suspect the engine was much too late to have gone into a judge (which got the axe mid season).

[thews]

Originally Posted by north

Based on my comments above about VIN and EUN I suspect the engine was much too late to have gone into a judge (which got the axe mid season).

So you think it's a Trans Am?

[Verdoro 68]

Wow, talk about a needle in a haystack!

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by Verdoro 68

Wow, talk about a needle in a haystack!

For Real !
John has his files dialed in Tight !
Can tell that was a screenshot I pulled and posted on here , there was a thread at the time in the 70-72 section about this car while it was on eBay.
My files are frozen and I don't have them categorized by VIN anyway. Highly doubtfuI i would have ever put the two together even if my files weren't frozen.

Fantastic workmanship John !!!!!!!!!

The car was in pretty decent overall shape if I remember correctly ,, but no engine.
Was also a former PMD Company Car
Sold for a reasonable price on eBay too, at the time.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

With the crazy luck on the engine , the Bird needs the PHS run on it.
Maybe it'll be a RamAir4 car

If the original 455HO Qjet is still in their hands, its worth a couple of big bucks too

[johnta1]

This is a screenshot of the ebay ad from 12/2011

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

This is so wild
The heading in the URL of the Invoice picture says No Motor
and I thought it was engineless too.

But that is the same EUN as in the picture that Thews posted.
So someone bought the convertible to use the engine in a 69 Bird project ?
Very W E I R D

['ol Pinion head]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

...So someone bought the convertible to use the engine in a 69 Bird project ?
Very W E I R D

Better bet is the late '71 production 455HO engine was misappropriated from a shop or storage, then possibly sold. Anyone that's going to step up & pay for a VERY desirable roundport convertible is not going to sell off its original engine.

As far as the '69 Bird project goes, I'd be highly suspicious to what's under the quickly sprayed grey primer. Poor quality metal & body work, along with substandard prep are par for the course on such presentations.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

I tried doing a search for the thread where the 71 Convertible was discussed while it was on eBay.
I'm not real good at that and keep getting distracted reading some of the other hits that come up on the search.
Had to stop.

Might try again some other time by just rolling back through all my posts until they hit Dec 2011.
ugh

This is a weird mess

[Foxtrot]

YE

Trying to learn about this motor and what chassis its supposed to be paired with.

Still have original straight six to match the chassis which currently holds the 455 4 speed

Chassis vin in photos

Help! Thanks in advance for your time and advice.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Foxtrot , go back to post # 2487 in this thread , then read your way back up to the post before yours.
A lot of info , and some other links to follow in the mix.
If you want the whole story , its covered pretty well.

The Bird VIN plate you posted is a 1967 ? in the door jamb
69 Bird VIN is up by the windshield on the dash , usually

[johnta1]

The Bird VIN plate you posted is a 1967 ? in the door jamb

And a convertible.



Welcome to PY Foxtrot.

[thews]

Originally Posted by Foxtrot

YE

Trying to learn about this motor and what chassis its supposed to be paired with.

Still have original straight six to match the chassis which currently holds the 455 4 speed

Chassis vin in photos

Help! Thanks in advance for your time and advice.

Hey Foxtrot welcome the most knowledgeable Pontiac folks on the planet. As I suggested to you when we conversed on eBay, take some pics of the 69 Sprint engine. Block code, carb etc. Post that with some pics of the inside of the wheel wells and we can tell how good the body is and how much it's worth. The first piece of advice you're going to get is to order the PHS documentation for both the Fireird and the 455HO engine car. You have to pay Pontiac Historical Society a fee, but you get the factory documents proving what you have. It'll make both worth more by having them. I think it's like $100 now?

Regarding your 455 HO engine, if the owner of the 71 Lemans convertible it belongs to can't be found, I'm sure there's someone in here that would buy it from you without paying the eBay fees. Being the Lemans is a 1 of 6 as pointed out by Baron Von Zeppelin, this car is a Pontiac treasure. There's a for sale section for both the 69 and the engine, but let's figure out the Sprint. Does it have its original transmission?

[AG]

Originally Posted by Foxtrot

YE

Trying to learn about this motor and what chassis its supposed to be paired with.

Still have original straight six to match the chassis which currently holds the 455 4 speed

Chassis vin in photos

Help! Thanks in advance for your time and advice.

Post some pics of the complete motor instead of small snipits. Include the carb also.

[thews]

Did that 71 Lemans convertible build sheet come with an endura front end? They only made 17 GTO Judge convertibles, so this car is a true unicorn.

This story just keeps getting better. He has the original #'s matching Sprint engine for the car. I invited him to post here... so many questions.