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Moroso front trick springs on 1st gen FB
Anybody use these on a first gen firebird? Thinking of putting them on my car and I wanted to check which spring people have used and if it needed any trimming. I have 2.75" free travel and I'm looking for 5", my car weighs 3250 race weight not sure of front weight.
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1967 Firechicken, 499", Edl heads, 262/266@0.050" duration and 0.627"/0.643 lift SR cam, 3.90 gear, 28" tire, 3550#. 10.01@134.3 mph with a 1.45 60'. Still WAY under the rollbar rule. |
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Call Ron at Santhuff, he will set u up n they last a lot longer n no cutting!
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Darby 74 Grandville 2Dr 455 c.i 4550# 2011 1.60 60 ft,7.33@94.55-11.502@117.74 2017, 74 firebird -3600 lbs (all bests) 1.33 60 ft, 6.314@108.39 9.950@134.32 M/T 275/60 ET SS Drag Radial 2023,(Pontiac 505) 1.27 60 ft, 5.97@112.86, 9.48@139.31.... 275/60 Radial Pro's |
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Also they are about 15# lighter!
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First Pontiac powered street car in the 7's 7.940@170.84. 3460#s |
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I put a set in my car over ten years ago, and they work fine for my bracket car. I had to take out the first set because they were too soft, I'll check my logbook an let you know which ones I ended up using, (no trimming). They cost about $60 when I bought them, now they are about $100. Santhuff's sound like better product, esecially if weight is a concern. I guess it depends on how much money you want to spend. I run travel limiters too, generally I keep the front as tight as traction allows.
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1969 Firebird, Tx3-455/468 machined by CVMS E-heads by Dave Wilcox/Comp Cams 300B-6 flat solid 850DP on E-85 by Eric Niefert/T2 1" plastic spacer T-400/PTC 4000/390's/30x9 Hoosier radial slicks,#3400 1.38 60' 6.32 @ 108 MPH at Northeast Dragway NC 5/23/15 (9th pass on new engine) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ePCu2v...ature=youtu.be 1.37 60' 6.26 @ 109 half track, 9.86 @ 136 1/4 mile, #3350 11/26/16 at Richmond Dragway (125th pass on new engine) |
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I've got the 47195's in my car and did not trim them. Not sure of the front weight but the car is 3470 without me in it. Aluminum heads and intake, manual steering, steel hood, battery still up front, and no weight cut from the front of the car.
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'68 Firebird 463/pump gas/SD 325 E-heads/266-272 SR cam/1050 Dominator/3.73/ET Street Radials/1.37 60'/6.30@108.80/9.93@135.14 Hot Rod Drag Week finishing averages: 2014 - 11.12 @ 118.56 2015 - 10.84 @ 124.97 2016 - 10.56 @ 127.88 2017 - 10.29 @ 130.74 2018 - 10.29 @ 130.53 2019 - 10.16 @ 132.34 2021 - 10.09 @ 132.69 2022 - 10.13 @ 133.07 9.93 run - https://youtu.be/hII0_UlYM4U |
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Thanks for the replies.
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1967 Firechicken, 499", Edl heads, 262/266@0.050" duration and 0.627"/0.643 lift SR cam, 3.90 gear, 28" tire, 3550#. 10.01@134.3 mph with a 1.45 60'. Still WAY under the rollbar rule. |
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i have a set in my 'bird about 20 yrs ago. i dont remember the part number. but if i recall they were listed for a "heavy" small block camaro. I scaled the car front to back to choose the right spring. I didnt have to trim them at all. my car is 3500 with me in it.
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I called Moroso but they would not give me a recommendation without the weight of the front of the car.
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1967 Firechicken, 499", Edl heads, 262/266@0.050" duration and 0.627"/0.643 lift SR cam, 3.90 gear, 28" tire, 3550#. 10.01@134.3 mph with a 1.45 60'. Still WAY under the rollbar rule. |
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I installed the 47140's, the second heaviest, and they were too weak, so I removed them. I replaced them with the 47195's which are the heaviest of the four available, and they have worked out good for me.
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1969 Firebird, Tx3-455/468 machined by CVMS E-heads by Dave Wilcox/Comp Cams 300B-6 flat solid 850DP on E-85 by Eric Niefert/T2 1" plastic spacer T-400/PTC 4000/390's/30x9 Hoosier radial slicks,#3400 1.38 60' 6.32 @ 108 MPH at Northeast Dragway NC 5/23/15 (9th pass on new engine) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ePCu2v...ature=youtu.be 1.37 60' 6.26 @ 109 half track, 9.86 @ 136 1/4 mile, #3350 11/26/16 at Richmond Dragway (125th pass on new engine) |
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I would recommend having it weighed. Most shops that build circle track cars or chassis shops have the scales. And its not expensive. That way you get the right spring the first time. I went for a spring rated just under my cars actual weight. It has a lot of travel and compressed energy. It also lets it sit just a little lower in the front which I liked.
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I have the lightest Moroso springs in my car... they worked out great...3500# with me in it.
No trimming...
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1968 Firebird 10.817/122.33 3600lbs trw 455, iron d-port heads/SD intake/q-jet, 9" tires 1.440 60ft 1962 Catalina 4100lbs trw 455, iron d-ports,perf RPM, 800holley, 9'' tires,(12.157@108.91)1.578 60' Oct 2010!! |
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Only way to go, super nice guy very helpful in choosing the right springs
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#3535 in this picture. With the lighter springs installed I could grab the bumper and bounce the front end off the stops. I just felt they were too loose or soft, so they were replaced with the stiffest of those available from Moroso. It's a subjective decision I made, and it might have worked good with them, I just wanted them stiffer.
I suspect a 69 front end is heavier than a 67 & 68. I don't know the price difference between the Moroso and the Santhuff' springs? If I were doing it now I would consider the Santhuff's for the weight loss alone. Maybe someone will tell use how much the Santhuff's cost?
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1969 Firebird, Tx3-455/468 machined by CVMS E-heads by Dave Wilcox/Comp Cams 300B-6 flat solid 850DP on E-85 by Eric Niefert/T2 1" plastic spacer T-400/PTC 4000/390's/30x9 Hoosier radial slicks,#3400 1.38 60' 6.32 @ 108 MPH at Northeast Dragway NC 5/23/15 (9th pass on new engine) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ePCu2v...ature=youtu.be 1.37 60' 6.26 @ 109 half track, 9.86 @ 136 1/4 mile, #3350 11/26/16 at Richmond Dragway (125th pass on new engine) |
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Ron , told me get the lightest spring for most transfer, then control it with a good shock if I remember right! I told Ron weight and that I wanted about a 1" or so drop from my current height, he sent me the 200 rate ones, their perfect!
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Darby 74 Grandville 2Dr 455 c.i 4550# 2011 1.60 60 ft,7.33@94.55-11.502@117.74 2017, 74 firebird -3600 lbs (all bests) 1.33 60 ft, 6.314@108.39 9.950@134.32 M/T 275/60 ET SS Drag Radial 2023,(Pontiac 505) 1.27 60 ft, 5.97@112.86, 9.48@139.31.... 275/60 Radial Pro's Last edited by grandville455; 01-11-2015 at 07:53 PM. |
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I have a set of trick springs new in the box if anyone is interested. I will get the part number.
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Wanting to say there around $140-$150 but im not 100% on that I can't find what I did with the receipt from when I bought mine there worth the money very nice springs, best thing to do is just call and ask Ron and he will give you a price and tell ya what ya need
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I'm looking to get a front stance similar to Brent and Grandville. Ponjohn, check what the part# is that you have. I'm thinking the 213#/in springs for my 3250 race weight.
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1967 Firechicken, 499", Edl heads, 262/266@0.050" duration and 0.627"/0.643 lift SR cam, 3.90 gear, 28" tire, 3550#. 10.01@134.3 mph with a 1.45 60'. Still WAY under the rollbar rule. |
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