[KO]

Originally Posted by David Holmberg

I'll bet $100 that Mike goes quicker than 8.28

not a legal pass at an NMCA race

[David Holmberg]

Karl, I've always respected what you and Neal have done over the years. I know the effort Bailey put into that car, and the people behind it, it's badass.

I've seen Mike run at Norwalk, and more importantly I know who Mike chooses to work with and I wouldn't bet against them either.

IMHO it will come down to the driver.

[KO]

Originally Posted by David Holmberg

Karl, I've always respected what you and Neal have done over the years. I know the effort Bailey put into that car, and the people behind it, it's badass.

I've seen Mike run at Norwalk, and more importantly I know who Mike chooses to work with and I wouldn't bet against them either.

IMHO it will come down to the driver.

from my experience people who throw a lot of **** out there, it usually come back and hits them in the face

this was never about a race, I just want data..proof to disprove my statement

Im trying to sell the engine with those awesome heads

[KO]

I just came up with a brilliant idea. Why doesnt Mike put my engine and transmission in his car? That will remove all variables.

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by KO

I just came up with a brilliant idea. Why doesnt Mike put my engine and transmission in his car? That will remove all variables.

Brilliant? That's one thing you're not. You've exhausted all squirming options. Now you want it in my car.

The dyno was a better idea. Lol

[KO]

Originally Posted by mike leech

Brilliant? That's one thing you're not. You've exhausted all squirming options. Now you want it in my car.

The dyno was a better idea. Lol

I probably will dyno it just to see.

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by KO

I probably will dyno it just to see.

I'm serious if you wanna meet at Tony's.

Back to back days. Loser pays two days dyno. 4-5 weeks I'll be there anyway.

[KO]

we went though this in NMCA Pat Musi w the 69 Camaro and Tony Christian with 4th gen Firebird, Musi wound up going 205, Christian brought the 57 back out

[John Langer]

Different engine builders. Different programs. Stanton, kemp and Bowles all went to the late model. They all went faster.

[KO]

Stanton went from a Chevelle that really wasn't built to go that fast to a pretty good 4th gen Camaro. More chassis than body.

Don't know much about Kemp, besides he use to complain a lot

wasn't Bowles Maverick a 100 years old

[John Langer]

Stanton went from the Chevelle to a camaro. Then rebuilt the Chevelle because the nostalgia weight break wasn't necessary he took the drivetrain out of the camaro and put it in the newly rebuilt Chevelle and slowed down a dime and like 3 mph. By seasons end he built another camaro. All cars were fresh builds out of the chassis shop. All cars had the latest and greatest parts.

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by John Langer

Stanton went from the Chevelle to a camaro. Then rebuilt the Chevelle because the nostalgia weight break wasn't necessary he took the drivetrain out of the camaro and put it in the newly rebuilt Chevelle and slowed down a dime and like 3 mph. By seasons end he built another camaro. All cars were fresh builds out of the chassis shop. All cars had the latest and greatest parts.

Interesting

[Gaby Labiosa]

Originally Posted by John Langer

Dwight is competing against BIG money, not other Pontiac racers. The rules in that class are catered to a SBF in a mustang.

I'm certainly a Dwight fan!!

Catered to a mustang? I'm not sure about that. I think by the time NMCA came out with class, there was still a lot of mustangs out there in NMRA.

NMCA have the best rules I have seen to create parity between many different types of cars and engine combinations. A lot of other organizations with "more simple" rules are now facing the issue with loopholes and starting the rethink their ideas.

Originally Posted by slowbird

Sounds like a little bit bigger weight break is needed for older cars. Gets old just seeing mustangs run.

That has been tried before. Don't think it ever worked in NMCA P/S? Nostalgia weight break for a 70 Chevelle would have to be different than for a 1969 MG.

I believe the car's suspension and setup show more of the ET, but the MPH can be sometimes be 2 or 3.

Originally Posted by John Langer

Either the Pontiac needs another 50 off or the nostalgia needs another 50 off. At these speeds 100 pounds isn't .1. It is more like .07. 30 hp isn't .1. It is more like 45

Another 50 for Pontiac? I'm a Pontiac fan but they already have 150 off the BBC and came in 2nd place this past year?

[John Langer]

Originally Posted by Gaby Labiosa

Another 50 for Pontiac? I'm a Pontiac fan but they already have 150 off the BBC and came in 2nd place this past year?

Thats why I said 50 for the Pontiac or another 50 for the nostalgia body style. 25 pounds for me and Dwight doesnt level the field for us. At the end of the day we can either race at a disadvantage or build modern pipe. The choice is purely up to us. In all reality it should be another 25-50 for the nostalgia. Put my motor in Kemps car and it could get ugly...

[KO]

Originally Posted by Gaby Labiosa

I'm certainly a Dwight fan!!

Catered to a mustang? I'm not sure about that. I think by the time NMCA came out with class, there was still a lot of mustangs out there in NMRA.

NMCA have the best rules I have seen to create parity between many different types of cars and engine combinations. A lot of other organizations with "more simple" rules are now facing the issue with loopholes and starting the rethink their ideas.




That has been tried before. Don't think it ever worked in NMCA P/S? Nostalgia weight break for a 70 Chevelle would have to be different than for a 1969 MG.

I believe the car's suspension and setup show more of the ET, but the MPH can be sometimes be 2 or 3.




Another 50 for Pontiac? I'm a Pontiac fan but they already have 150 off the BBC and came in 2nd place this past year?

The Ford biased rules are why some people put Ford engines in GM cars. They allowed the 7721 Edelbrock Ford head 15 degree as cast, when the Chevys were restricted to 23 degree heads. Edelbrock makes a 15 degree head for Chevy but that was not on the list. Ive worked for the NMCA and NMRA. I know behind the curtain decisions.

[Chris Uratchko]

Originally Posted by John Langer

Stanton went from the Chevelle to a camaro. Then rebuilt the Chevelle because the nostalgia weight break wasn't necessary he took the drivetrain out of the camaro and put it in the newly rebuilt Chevelle and slowed down a dime and like 3 mph. By seasons end he built another camaro. All cars were fresh builds out of the chassis shop. All cars had the latest and greatest parts.

Exactly as described.

[KO]

Chevelle sat like a 4wd, Camaros were slammed w strut front suspension

[John Langer]

Not when he redid it... It was low and lean. Weighed 75 pounds less then the camaro and went a dime slower.

[David Holmberg]

Everyone has their take on it, I see it as being held accountable for what you say.

Its the internet, if you say something someone will make you prove it.

Don't be so cynical.

[KO]

I never saw it after he redid it. Typical internet talking out my ass w no real data